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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 3, 2007 15:08:06 GMT
A friend of mine was complaining the other day about Oh come on now Dave, not the old friend of mine story, next it will be a friend of mine has a nasty rash.
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 15:12:30 GMT
I don't know what the long tail is supposed to represent, I have no idea whether salmon also like long legged creatures, it is ladies legs for me...squid legs or shrimp feelers don't do it for me at all.
I suspect like many long tailed lures, they simply waggle about a bit and create an impression of something alive and natural.
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Post by Tyne Angler on Oct 3, 2007 15:15:41 GMT
A friend of mine was complaining the other day about Oh come on now Dave, not the old friend of mine story, next it will be a friend of mine has a nasty rash. Malcolm My spinning gear is only used on the pike population of the Norfolk broads..............honestly...
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Post by conwyrod on Oct 3, 2007 20:30:58 GMT
And a friend of mine once told me that when you start winding in a Flying C, you should jerk the rod to "kickstart" the spinning blade.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 3, 2007 20:35:21 GMT
And a friend of mine once told me that when you start winding in a Flying C, you should jerk the rod to "kickstart" the spinning blade. Perhaps your and Dave's friends should join this forum or get in touch with each other directly, it could save you both having to post!
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 20:45:35 GMT
The fact that your friend has to jerk the rod in order to kick start the blade, seems to indicate that the flying C's he used were of poor quality and required the blade to be jerked away from the lure in order to start it spinning freely. A Flying C that is well designed results in the blade just spinning automatically because there is nothing for the blade to catch on.
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 21:45:53 GMT
Dear salmonnut
It is mainly from experience but I do read material and learn from other anglers etc. If you think I make it up or take it from a book or something, then show me where these remarks come from, I already know you can't. I know the person who gave me those flying C's actually knows his stuff rather well because I put him in contact with the guy who designs Mepps lures and he confirmed, that after meeting and talking to him, that he had his info and technical details pretty much spot on. I have made my own flying C's and mepps etc, I know it isn't just down to size/shape of clevis but can understand how you arrived at that conclusion.
Change the size/shape/weight of blades/clevis's/beads etc and you are working with a different set of factors, if you are happy with your lures with your standard size 3 blades etc/whatever then I am happy for you.
Regards and good fishing
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 21:55:17 GMT
That is correct, size 2 blade. I removed the picture because the person who designed/made it, learned that I had listed it, but he didn't want it publicised and so I removed it.
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 22:04:16 GMT
No, it was a size 2 blade, I only have one of his lures left and the blade is 27 mm long. If you have the forum page/photo in your internet history you will be able to compare the length to the ruler I placed along side.
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Post by John Gray on Oct 3, 2007 22:14:03 GMT
..... Another thing you may wish to note is that the second bearing bead above the clevice is not required as it has no function, i never use them nowadays as i find that the only one required is the one between teardrop and the clevice. Regards SN Yes, that would seem to make sense to me. I have found that a size 1 clevis, rotating on a 3/32 inch bead, works well with blades down to a size 0. At less than one gram in weight, far too light for use on a spinning rod, of course!
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 22:23:20 GMT
Dear salmonnut
If I am wrong about something then yes I am willing to admit it, but I am unaware of anything that I have said that is wrong. If you are talking about the size 2 blade then I can confirm that it is a size 2 blade, I gave you the length. I don't know what issue you have, but I wish you the best with your obviously tried and tested lures.
Good fishing.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 3, 2007 22:25:08 GMT
John, glad to see you are posting the pictures of your "sipnheads"in the Spinning section now.................at long last you have seen sense and agreed they are spinning devices and not for use on fly only beats.
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 22:41:30 GMT
There is a point to having a bead above the clevis on many lures, depending on how a lure is fished but especially if in a sink and draw fashion, the blade/clevis can move up the shaft and catch against the wire twist. A small bead prevents this. Most flying c's are fished in such a way as to make this redundant.
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Post by seatroot on Oct 3, 2007 22:48:44 GMT
I spin whenever I want but I haven't used a spinning rod for 2 or 3 years, I never found the need. But I would if the need arose, there is a lot of skill in spinning and it can be very satisfying if done well.
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Post by salmonscotty16lb on Oct 4, 2007 0:02:50 GMT
spin when i want but never spun this year. the only time i had the spin rod with me i left it behind when moving pools had a frantic search before i went home and thankfully found it.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 4, 2007 7:53:31 GMT
WG not meaning to take any offence but surely any lure that can be fished from the end of a flyrod. on a flyline and light enough to be cast using normal casting methods must be considered as a legitamit method Regards SN I would suggest that the spirit of the rules is being broken if not the actual letter of the law. I would further suggest that if you turned up with a spinning device attached to a fly rod on the majority of the major Spey beats you would be lucky to last the day and would definitely not get back. Why bother attaching John’s spinning device above a fly just tie on a size 00 Mepp, it will achieve the same thing. I would imagine you could fish a small rapaella of a fly rod as well if you set your mind to it.
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Post by sinkingtip on Oct 4, 2007 12:58:49 GMT
WG not meaning to take any offence but surely any lure that can be fished from the end of a flyrod. on a flyline and light enough to be cast using normal casting methods must be considered as a legitamit method Regards SN I would suggest that the spirit of the rules is being broken if not the actual letter of the law. I would further suggest that if you turned up with a spinning device attached to a fly rod on the majority of the major Spey beats you would be lucky to last the day and would definitely not get back. Why bother attaching John’s spinning device above a fly just tie on a size 00 Mepp, it will achieve the same thing. I would imagine you could fish a small rapaella of a fly rod as well if you set your mind to it. Interesting concept there with th 00 mepps - never actually though of that (might give it a bash ). The traditionalist in me still considers flee's to have names like Hairy Mary, Blue Charm, Stoats Tail, Willie Gunn, Silver Wilkie, Green Highlander etc.......and variations thereof. Knew a guy once used to fish tubes / waddingtons of the end of a spinning rod ....and get fish. New another guy used to tie a dropper and fly out from his swivel whist fishing a spinner of some description ....and get fish ..... on the flee !
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Post by John Gray on Oct 4, 2007 13:17:33 GMT
.... just tie on a size 00 Mepp, it will achieve the same thing. At 1.5 grams, a size 00 Mepps spoon is a bit on the heavy side.
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Post by Tyne Andrew on Oct 4, 2007 13:23:30 GMT
.... just tie on a size 00 Mepp, it will achieve the same thing. At 1.5 grams, a size 00 Mepps spoon is a bit on the heavy side. You think so? Would be easy on a sinker
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Post by John Gray on Oct 4, 2007 13:39:40 GMT
At 1.5 grams, a size 00 Mepps spoon is a bit on the heavy side. You think so? Would be easy on a sinker The lighter the lure the better, I think. Also, I find the use of a floating line, perhaps with a sink tip, makes it easier to lift such a lure out the water.
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