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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 14:52:23 GMT
Anyone got any methods to share in respect of the non-fly fishing aspects of our sporting obsession:
I used to do a lot of 'bait' fishing - shrimps, the humble worm, and for seatrout specifically, the docken & other grubs.
Wouldn't have used these methods if they weren't successful in days past, and whilst appreciating that some of these methods are not permitted on some waters now, there are still some waters where these non-fly methods are not only permitted but used, and often successfully.
Will try to post few pics of some set-ups later.
Anything to share, guys & gals?
Mike
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 15:16:14 GMT
What are these, and how are they used? Mike
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Post by castelforte on Nov 4, 2007 15:44:49 GMT
Are they otters which can release a hook which is wedged in between boulders by pulling the hook downstream and away from you?
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 17:12:16 GMT
Not otters, no.
Mike
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Post by sinkingtip on Nov 4, 2007 17:40:03 GMT
A variation on the "bouncing betty" ?
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 18:10:56 GMT
Close, 'Tip:
I first came across the bouncing Betty (pvc tube with a cylinder of lead stuffed in one end, and a plastic cap with a link-hole at the other, effectively trapping air in the tube, and counteracting the weight) in Ireland about 12- 15 years ago.
What you see in the picture is a pair (only use one at a time) of 'neutralisers'.
I devised this in 1980 for fishing the worm and shrimp in the Aberdeenshire Don, as well as the Nith. Essentially, the ball is a child's small powerball or superball - dense rubber type stuff, which happens to just float, showing a smidge of the ball above the surface.
The ball is drilled slowly by hand, and the inner plastic from a used biro pen is inserted snugly into the drilled hole - the rubber grips the nylon tubing. Monofil is run through the tube, and on one end is tied & attached a small drilled stopper (in the pic shown, this is a small square of plastic with a hole punched in the middle). At the other end is attached a swivel, in this case a link swivel. However, to make the rubber ball sink, I add some sections of small diameter lead pipe (from the coating of ancient electric wires) onto the mono before tying on the swivel.
The swivel is slid onto the mainline as you would a running lead, with just a stopper lead shot about 12 to 36" from the hook.
This will cast over 60 yards, but as the bouyancy of the rubber ball is just countered by a small amount of lead, and you can vary the amount of lead, you can effectively fish as if you are trundling a worm or shrimp with the equivalent of a couple of leadshot, and with very low risk of snagging the bottom, even in slower water. The surface area of the ball also ensures it tends to get pushed along by the current too.
Deadly for the slow rumbling of a worm or shrimp in the bottom 1-2 feet of the river.
Mike
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Post by John Gray on Nov 4, 2007 20:26:35 GMT
Might a small bubble float filled, or nearly filled, with water, with or without added lead weights, do the same job?
..... or, if you are hard up .... a potato!
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 20:32:51 GMT
Might a small bubble float filled, or nearly filled, with water, with or without added lead weights, do the same job? Yes, but....technically illegal in Scotland...no float fishing for salmon, and as these bubble 'chamber' floats are easily recognised, their use is usually interpreted as 'float fishing' Another thing, such bubble floats are usually made of a brittle plastic, perhaps acrylic, and they tend to crack. Mike
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Post by John Gray on Nov 4, 2007 20:38:52 GMT
Might a small bubble float filled, or nearly filled, with water, with or without added lead weights, do the same job? Yes, but....technically illegal in Scotland...no float fishing for salmon, and as these bubble 'chamber' floats are easily recognised, their use is usually interpreted as 'float fishing' Another thing, such bubble floats are usually made of a brittle plastic, perhaps acrylic, and they tend to crack. Mike Is your rubber ball not a float, and therefore illegal? If so, you still have the tattie option .... or what about plasticene or blue- tac or something similar?
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 20:53:22 GMT
Splitting hairs now, but the rubber ball is just that, a rubber ball, and not recognisable as a float in any event, as it could hardly be used as a indicator float as it's almost completely submerged, and it is being used as a casting aid for a sinking bait.
You would have to be stopped & checked by some serious 'jobsworth' bailiff for it to be even considered against the rules.
Mike
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Post by John Gray on Nov 4, 2007 21:03:15 GMT
Splitting hairs now, but the rubber ball is just that, a rubber ball, and not recognisable as a float in any event, as it could hardly be used as a indicator float as it's almost completely submerged, and it is being used as a casting aid for a sinking bait. You would have to be stopped & checked by some serious 'jobsworth' bailiff for it to be even considered against the rules. Mike In that case, Mike, a plastic bubble completely filled with water, which therefore sinks, could hardly be called a "float", even by the most diligent of bailiffs, especially if used as a casting aid for a sinking bait. No court in the land would, I am sure, define such a device as a float. If a rubber ball is just a rubber ball, then a plastic sphere is just a plastic sphere.
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 21:08:37 GMT
That wasn't the point!
Read the description of construction & use.
The plastic bubble floats just "don't do it", and however you fish with them, they remain, by definition of their manufacture, a float!
I thought that this thread was to stimulate ideas, not to to pick any minute holes in suggestions offered.
Why don't you modify the bubble float by adding a feather, attaching a mepps blade to it, cast it with a fly rod, and call it fly fishing!
End of.
M
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Post by fruity on Nov 4, 2007 21:21:01 GMT
I could tell you what colour to paint those controllers so that the fish would come to look at them, but if I did so a poacher out there may decide to use a short leader/treble and bounce the thing through a pool...only to strike when they touched something. That is the problem with making a number of suggestions to this topic, while technically interesting and informative about the nature/habits of the salmon, they can be misused.
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Post by John Gray on Nov 4, 2007 21:34:55 GMT
That wasn't the point! Read the description of construction & use. The plastic bubble floats just "don't do it", and however you fish with them, they remain, by definition of their manufacture, a float! I thought that this thread was to stimulate ideas, not to to pick any minute holes in suggestions offered. Why don't you modify the bubble float by adding a feather, attaching a mepps blade to it, cast it with a fly rod, and call it fly fishing! End of. M That's the end of that discussion then! You must forgive me Mike. It is customary on the forums in which I have participated to regard an opening post as a stimulus for discussion, a springboard for the exchange of ideas, an invitation to share information, explore possibilities, split hairs even. Indeed, I inferred from your last line, "Anything to share, guys and gals?", that the expectation on this forum was similar. I shall be more selective, in future, as to which posts I respond to.
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 21:43:44 GMT
noted!
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Post by builnacraig on Nov 4, 2007 21:57:31 GMT
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Yes, but....technically illegal in Scotland...no float fishing for salmon, and as these bubble 'chamber' floats are easily recognised, their use is usually interpreted as 'float fishing'
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You sure about that? I have seen plenty salmon anglers catching salmon using a float, never thought it was illegal
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Post by fredo on Nov 5, 2007 13:55:38 GMT
Yes, but....technically illegal in Scotland...no float fishing for salmon, and as these bubble 'chamber' floats are easily recognised, their use is usually interpreted as 'float fishing' [/quote] You sure about that? I have seen plenty salmon anglers catching salmon using a float, never thought it was illegal[/quote] I think you will find it is not the float that is illegal, more likely that what you are dangling under it may be illegal!
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Post by fruity on Nov 5, 2007 14:12:38 GMT
A floating fly line is a "float", yet not banned under legislation. You can fish a shrimp/prawn/fly very nicely with a floating fly line.
Even if you fill a bubble float with water, the immaterial weight of the plastic/bulk of the shaped plastic against the current will ensure it rises to the surface. Adding lead weight can help to make it sink, but those who have fished with heavy sea weights around the coast will know that an 8oz wired lead isn't insurance against your weight being moved around.
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 5, 2007 15:35:01 GMT
Interesting points fruity.
You from the JG school of thought then?
Mike
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Post by fruity on Nov 5, 2007 15:41:59 GMT
Sorry, who is "JG"?
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