Speyducer
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Post by Speyducer on Dec 5, 2007 20:07:57 GMT
Circle Spey – Skagit
Mike
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bcspey
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Post by bcspey on Jan 2, 2008 15:24:43 GMT
If Thats the River Spey i'm stevie wonder, and if it is, he is fishing out of season, call the bailiff's......... for all the water he just ripped up with that stupid cast.
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Post by Speyducer on Jan 2, 2008 16:30:50 GMT
Although the caster or video poster says "Second day ever spey casting with the Meiser MKS13678. Trying the Snap T on river left. Nottowasaga River, Ontario." ie, that this cast is the "Snap T" type of Skagit cast, it is, in fact, the "Circle Spey" type of Skagit cast, with a Skagit head. The difference being that in the Snap T cast, the rod tip is suddenly 'snapped' back 'T' fashion in the opposite direction of the initial lift stroke, and the lifted line (a very short head) continues to travel upriver and lands as this cast does, rather splashily, before the sweep stroke component to set up the small D loop just immediately prior to the forward casting stroke. In the 'Circle "Spey" ' (the name being used by the North American fly fishermen & Skagit afficionados in deference to where non-overhead fly casting originated), the circle part referring to the arc of motion the rod tip travels during the set-up phase after the initial lift to get almost all of the sinking tip section of the line to the surface , ie, the rod tip, when fishing river Left as this is, moved sharply in a clockwise circular motion, speeding up through the circle, but stopping this motion suddenly when the rod tip finally reaches where the rod is pointing towards where you want your fly to go in the forward stroke. As in the Snap T, the line travels almost perfectly upstream opposite from the downstream start position, and again lands rather splashily above the fisherman, and the next phases are as per the Snap T. BTW, the caster/video poster does clearly state that the activity if taking place in Ontario, Canada, where it appears they are allowed to lift a bit more water off the surface during casting than on the Spey! Mike
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Post by lamson on Jan 2, 2008 17:02:12 GMT
Water disturbance caused by these casts can be reduced by sweeping the rod back after the snap T or circle c before the line lands, you want the end of the fly line landing at the point it would if you were double speying. The resultant anchor is then of the splash and go variety rather than the water born anchor.
Lamson
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Post by John Gray on Jan 2, 2008 20:28:13 GMT
I must say that I fail to see how the cast shown offers any advantage over a single Spey cast. It does seem, though, to cause considerably more surface disturbance.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Jan 2, 2008 22:16:04 GMT
I must say that I fail to see how the cast shown offers any advantage over a single Spey cast. It does seem, though, to cause considerably more surface disturbance. Circus cast John, it impresses wee lassies.
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Post by bcspey on Jan 3, 2008 12:29:32 GMT
I have seen all the casts and fished the Skagit river with a well know Skagit caster and line desginer. If you think there is any need for these casts, fish away , just don't fish through the pool in front of me casting like that. Water disturbance, holly heck you might as well throw boulders in the river in front of you, sound travels 10 times greater through water than air so you can imagine how it has just scared every fish in the pool. I have been lucky enough to have fished all over BC and the States, and the whole Skagit thing has cause no end of confusion to Speycasters over there. Why can't the guy just do a nice quiet single Spey ?
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Post by z on Jan 4, 2008 0:42:56 GMT
I have seen all the casts and fished the Skagit river with a well know Skagit caster and line desginer. If you think there is any need for these casts, fish away , just don't fish through the pool in front of me casting like that. Water disturbance, holly heck you might as well throw boulders in the river in front of you, sound travels 10 times greater through water than air so you can imagine how it has just scared every fish in the pool. I have been lucky enough to have fished all over BC and the States, and the whole Skagit thing has cause no end of confusion to Speycasters over there. Why can't the guy just do a nice quiet single Spey ? My sympathies. Didn't exactly set the world on fire, did it? Water disturbance: I am not convinced of the whole water disturbance thing, at least for steelhead. If they were so disturbed by line splashing then the jet sled crowd would catch no fish and you and I both know that is not the case. Possibly if we were talking about slow glassy pools but I haven’t really seen much of that while steelheading in the PNW and have no interest in fishing it as I prefer to swing flies, not drown them. z
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Post by wilson on Jan 4, 2008 2:44:27 GMT
I fish the Great Lakes a lot and Steelhead there take a fair amount of abuse and still come back for more. However, it's better to be first through with a nice quiet cast. They're a lot more surface oriented than given credit for up there. I've had a few really hot fish on a floating line in November before the float fisherman have gotten to them.
If it makes any difference to anyone there's a whole anti-Skagit movement in that area of the US. Most rivers are smallish but anglers still need to "get down" when the snow comes so there's a lot of short head/Scandinavian style casters coming up in that area. Double-Spey is about as "Skagity" as they get. Nice casters, good fisherman, good folk and deserve more credit than the typical "North American with a Long Rod" gets.
-Chris
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Post by z on Jan 4, 2008 3:43:43 GMT
I fish the Great Lakes a lot and Steelhead there take a fair amount of abuse and still come back for more. However, it's better to be first through with a nice quiet cast. They're a lot more surface oriented than given credit for up there. I've had a few really hot fish on a floating line in November before the float fisherman have gotten to them. If it makes any difference to anyone there's a whole anti-Skagit movement in that area of the US. Most rivers are smallish but anglers still need to "get down" when the snow comes so there's a lot of short head/Scandinavian style casters coming up in that area. Double-Spey is about as "Skagity" as they get. Nice casters, good fisherman, good folk and deserve more credit than the typical "North American with a Long Rod" gets. -Chris That's encouraging, a glimmer of hope. And to think I was about to sell all my gear. z
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Post by salmonking on Jan 4, 2008 21:20:43 GMT
Key to success,,,,keep it simple,,,,single or double spey,,,throw in the odd roll cast when required,,,it's all you need.
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Post by speyvalley on Jan 4, 2008 23:41:53 GMT
That's encouraging, a glimmer of hope. And to think I was about to sell all my gear. z Michael, I know an elderly gentleman from California who will gladly take all your gear from you ;D I dont want our American brothers to be falling out on a UK board over the head of a "Skagit Cast" Michael or Chris you may recognise this chap in the photo doing his Cicus Cast whilst fishing in the U.S.
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Post by z on Jan 5, 2008 0:38:44 GMT
That's encouraging, a glimmer of hope. And to think I was about to sell all my gear. z Michael, I know an elderly gentleman from California who will gladly take all your gear from you ;D I dont want our American brothers to be falling out on a UK board over the head of a "Skagit Cast" Michael or Chris you may recognise this chap in the photo doing his Cicus Cast whilst fishing in the U.S. Hello James, Really a nice photo of Ruairi. I've about had it with all things Skagit especially when it's Skagit-O-Rama --- pretty much the last straw for me. I've heard rumours that a certain Mr. Dark Horse has been dabbling in it and may be unable to resist its charms. ;D Think I may know the elderly gentleman in question, but unless you've got a 4" Perfect of a particular vintage you could not pry his wallet open with a crowbar. z (not affiliated with anything Skagitty)
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Post by wilson on Jan 5, 2008 1:59:52 GMT
Impressive, but it's sacrilege to make that cast without a glowing yellow banana on the end or your line It's all for fun, but If I made this reply on a US board they'd hunt me down!!! -Chris
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