conwyrod
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Post by conwyrod on May 9, 2008 18:34:17 GMT
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Post by sandman on May 9, 2008 21:41:16 GMT
I hope appropriate credit was given where that credit is due.
In respect of the Needle Flies, I hope credit was given to General TH Acton who was using Pin/Needle flies in the 1940’s.
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Post by conwyrod on May 9, 2008 22:45:54 GMT
In respect of the Needle Flies, I hope credit was given to General TH Acton who was using Pin/Needle flies in the 1940’s. That's interesting Sandman, any idea what his flies looked like?
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Post by Speyducer on May 10, 2008 1:37:46 GMT
I hope appropriate credit was given where that credit is due. In respect of the Needle Flies, I hope credit was given to General TH Acton who was using Pin/Needle flies in the 1940’s. Hi sandman, I didn't see the name Acton referenced in the article. Where did you read of these needle/pin flies by General Acton?? - googled re: Acton, & Mick Buxton - no mention of pin/needle flies anywhere re. these names... ?? a wee dose of red herrings, perhaps Mike
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Post by sandman on May 10, 2008 9:19:02 GMT
General Acton’s opinion was that the only important part of a fly was a slim wing, nothing else mattered. He was well known for using very slim tubes, as we use today, but he also used needles/pins as a base for the fly. The needles and pins had a bunch of hair tied at the eye/head, the shaft was pushed in between a short piece of tubing (or whipped on) and the shank of a small treble. The line was attached to the eye of the treble.
Mick Buxton went on to develop these needle/pin flies, making some longer, and he even wrote a few articles about them in the 60’s/70s when Waddington’s Elver theory was still talked about.
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Post by robbie on May 10, 2008 9:48:36 GMT
Interesting opinion there Sandman, It would be good to hear what RPSalmon/Fruity/RPS/Beobachter have to say on the topic........... oh! we have already!!!
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Post by tynetraveller on May 10, 2008 11:12:56 GMT
Oh dear, I feared as much!
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Post by annanangler on May 10, 2008 19:10:42 GMT
Interesting opinion there Sandman, It would be good to hear what RPSalmon/Fruity/RPS/Beobachter have to say on the topic........... oh! we have already!!! ;D ;D ;D I was thinking the same mate ;D ;D ;D
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Post by salmonking on May 10, 2008 22:48:44 GMT
Dont you think this guy should be called SADMAN,,,instead of sandman,,,,do us all a favour and f~~~ off.
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salmo
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Post by salmo on May 12, 2008 9:54:31 GMT
I would be interested in hearing if anyone is using these ultra slim needles flies.
Is anyone using these needle flies on a day to day basis? How are they doing and what conditions are they best suited? Salmon or sea-trout?
salmo
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Post by sandman on May 13, 2008 10:58:08 GMT
?? a wee dose of red herrings, perhaps Mike No red herring, all true. See pages 47 & 48 of February 1978 edition of Trout & Salmon for article by Mick Noel-Buxton (rod builder & fly line maker). Mick Buxton wrote other articles but they are not displayed on my index, perhaps they were in another publication.
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Post by salmo on May 18, 2008 10:41:04 GMT
?? a wee dose of red herrings, perhaps Mike No red herring, all true. See pages 47 & 48 of February 1978 edition of Trout & Salmon for article by Mick Noel-Buxton (rod builder & fly line maker). Mick Buxton wrote other articles but they are not displayed on my index, perhaps they were in another publication. Do you keep every T and S back to 1978 or do you go further back? salmo
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Post by Silver Stoat on May 18, 2008 18:44:17 GMT
No red herring, all true. See pages 47 & 48 of February 1978 edition of Trout & Salmon for article by Mick Noel-Buxton (rod builder & fly line maker). Mick Buxton wrote other articles but they are not displayed on my index, perhaps they were in another publication. sandman, While you have your collection of Trout & Salmon to hand perhaps you would check the September 1999 issue - the article entitled "Needles for Sewin" by John Gray. On page 50, in the fourth complete paragraph, you will see that the author has acknowledged that " The idea is not entirely original but is an extension of the 'Pin Fly' principle, as described by Mick Noel-Buxton in the February 1978 issue of Trout and Salmon"He then goes on to also acknowledge the influence of an idea for attaching the hook to a Waddington style lure, as described by "Stoats Tail" in the February 1967 issue of the same journal. Whether those earlier experimenters would have given credit to General TH Acton, or not, is something I do not know. There are few things, if any, in fly fishing that can be described as ' entirely original' - whether that description is applied to a particular 'principle' or to any individuals efforts - and it would be a foolish person indeed who was not prepared to accept that this is so. However, it is often the case that someone can collate a series of diverse ideas from a variety of disciplines and arrive at a practical way of implementing them. Silver Stoat.
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Post by eskimoo on Jun 2, 2008 16:36:44 GMT
I use a thin tube fly in thin water, but its made from tube liner not a metalic body, works well but so do small flies, personal choice I would use a 12 double with a long over wing sits and fishes better but have had results on both, saw the write up in T&S my only concern is are these needles lined, if not hope the ends are smooth, but as no company is suppling them I guess you buy the tubeing and cut it yourself, sounds a bit dodgy to me!!!!!!!!
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