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Post by shedhed on May 31, 2008 8:57:50 GMT
As we approach the 16th June where some rivers will be reopened to coarse anglers. What is the routine for sharing the beats, where they(coarse anglers) could be camped out on all of the main salmon pools? I'm sure sharing the pool will not go down well, when you wade through there carefully placed hundred weight of overpriced bait.
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acw
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Post by acw on May 31, 2008 10:15:21 GMT
As we approach the 16 th June where some rivers will be reopened to coarse anglers. What is the routine for sharing the beats, where they(coarse anglers) could be camped out on all of the main salmon pools? I'm sure sharing the pool will not go down well, when you wade through there carefully placed hundred weight of overpriced bait. I am sure Tom will put you right ,but imho fish early and late and be willing to walk further than the bait boys do ,they do tend to have huge amounts to carry these days . Think you will just have to work around them ,and or get to strictly fly/spin only beats ! Coming from a coarse background (many moons ago) would not try to edge into occupied pools !
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severnfisher
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Post by severnfisher on May 31, 2008 11:18:48 GMT
It all depends on the kind of stretch, club rules etc. Some clubs have an explicit rule that allows for game anglers to fish through. However it is important to do this in a considerate way. I would have thought W&UF beats would do this as well, but don't know for sure. Other clubs are run entirely on a coarse fishing basis of first come first served. As Andy says best to get out early and late and opt for a long walk. Match bookings can be frustrating. I've even been known to put some money into the pools in return for the match organisers not pegging a particluar run. Give and take really. Depends on how well you know the guys etc. I know a lot of coarse anglers on the Severn both match and specimen hunters and the more experienced ones can be a great help in filling you in with information about where fish have been seen moving. I've found a few good lies after talking to match anglers who told me about some 'bloody big' salmon that was jumping about all bloody day putting off the chub and barbel'. Quite a few of the older hands on the coasre fishing scene are very helpfull One of the best salmon anglers on the Severn in modern times was Fred'the bread' Bailey who was also a crack match angler and highly innovative in a rough and ready sort of way (he pioneered modern barbel rods and heavy feeder fishing by using his salmon spinning rod). He used the big spinning rod when feeder fishing because he could get the barbel in twice as quickly with it, compared to a normal ledger rod, it would also cast bigger feeders with a lot of lead to hold out in the main flow. So the ancestor of all those porky pigs and barbel specialist rods that now sell for hundreeds of pounds is actually Fred the window cleaner's old glass spinnning rod. Most of the guys from Fred's generation or who fell under his influence are a lot less blinkered than the stereotype of a match angler that you might expect. Unfortunately some are the exact opposite and are a bit ignorant to put it mildly.... I remember a couple of seasons ago there was a good run of grilse around the August bank Holiday weekend. The trouble was the river was packed with coarse anglers. After the fish left a certain pool I decided to track them upstream hoping to intercept them at certain spots. Every single one had a coarse angler parked on it. Anyway, I finally got to the next serious 'stopping point' about 4 miles upstream. But low and behold there was a match on the opposite bank and a guy lobbing a pellet feeder right into the best lie. I sat down for a breather after the long walk and shouted over to the guy fishing the pellet. 'Seen any salmon?'. The idea was to get the guy talking, find out how long was left in the match, if he thought he was in the frame and see if he might let me fish through if he wasn't. The reply I got was along the lines of 'Ah you won't get salmon on the severn, I've fished this river all me life, don't know what you're talking about, down at Diglis maybe, but not up here. Waste of time bloody stupid' . Just as he finished his rod tip jolted, he struck and yes you've guessed it a grilse went ballistic flying straight out of the water in front of him before zipping off on a furious downstream run, as i sat there watching the guy trying to play a salmon by backwinding I knew the outcome was inevitable. Ping the hook flew out. No he didn't let me fish through...
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Post by acw on May 31, 2008 11:30:38 GMT
Tom whats it looking like for a daytime visit sunday ie tommorow ?
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severnfisher
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Post by severnfisher on May 31, 2008 11:33:26 GMT
The dogs doo dahs get up here now!!!!!!
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Post by acw on Jun 2, 2008 10:04:48 GMT
The dogs doo dahs get up here now!!!!!! Tom ,what with Micks missed fish and a couple seen just below town and the pillock in the outboard powered inflatable we had a good day ,wish it was an hour or so closer we would be down for some dusk fishing very often . Motorway coming back was horrendous Two lanes taken out by a huge dumper truck on a trailer going at 45-50!
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Post by severnfisher on Jun 3, 2008 15:00:26 GMT
The dogs doo dahs get up here now!!!!!! Tom ,what with Micks missed fish and a couple seen just below town and the pillock in the outboard powered inflatable we had a good day ,wish it was an hour or so closer we would be down for some dusk fishing very often . Motorway coming back was horrendous Two lanes taken out by a huge dumper truck on a trailer going at 45-50! One idiot in a motor powered inflatable? Counted 126 canoes on bank holiday sunday River looking very nice at the moment, with a very slight rise in levels and the atmosphere clearing and the barometer going through the roof. Sadly don't think i can fish this evening.
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Post by tweedsider on Jun 3, 2008 16:34:53 GMT
After 40 years as a trout angler I only turned seriously to salmon fishing 5 years ago, had caught a few before then mind you on trout tackle. Over most of those years salmon anglers started at 10am and finished at 5pm, this is the lower Tweed, no gillies only boatmen. The situation changed and as a trout angler I bagan to find my choice of water restricted by, 'out of hours' salmon anglers - a total pain in the butt as the yanks would say. Now I am more or less a salmon angler and find these evening trout anglers getting in my way a pain in the butt as the yanks say. Access very much depends upon the individuals aims and perspective.
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Post by rm100 on Jun 21, 2008 17:34:22 GMT
Sharing with the coarse fishers....,i once walked down to a pool on the river endrick and asked the coarse fishers if the had seen any salmon or seatrout?The answer was -i those ones there, 3 seatrout all over 2lbs and caught with the maggot.I could have kicked him right in off his chair.
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Post by alta on Jun 22, 2008 11:51:30 GMT
I have never been unlucky enough to have to share with coarse fisherman but here in Norway baits and spinners are allowed in many rivers so I see sharing issues come up all the time.
The basic problems is that bait fishers just seem to sit in the same spot and never move. When you want to move through with a fly they just sit there and look vacant at you.
The spinning guys do seem to move down the pool but because they are fanning things can be difficult if you get too close.
Why does your UK coarse fishing season start at roughly the same time as the Norwegian salmon fishing season??
alta
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