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Post by charliethompson on Sept 18, 2007 22:56:56 GMT
If you could put together one of those "Starter Kits" seen in mail order thingmes what would you put in. I realise the crassness of this request but then crass is good. 500 notes should do it. (assume I've got all of the clobber)
Cheers
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Post by charliethompson on Sept 18, 2007 23:47:31 GMT
I was a bit drunk before
£300 tops and that's pushing it
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Post by salmo on Sept 19, 2007 1:21:10 GMT
Welcom to Salmon Fishers,
If we can't fix you up we will know a man who can.
Find a good tackle shop and browse. Online stores are OK but you cannot really see and feel the gear.
Consider second hand gear to start out. Some shops have gear that has been traded in or old demo models.
Reply on here explianing which river you want to fish on and what location and you will get some feedback. Also important is time of year. Summer is generally floating lines which are the easiest to learn on.
salmo
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Post by tweedsider on Sept 19, 2007 10:37:50 GMT
Hello Charliethompson I reckon I am fishing happily at a much lower budget than your £300. Some of the mail order stuff is a bargain for a complete outfit, the snag being unless you live near a mail order warehouse there is little opportunity to handle the gear. Game fairs and fishing fairs will be the most likely place where you can try before buying , although I understand such a facility exists at Hardy /Greys of Alnwick. Also keep an eye open in mail order catalogues for end of line and end of season bargains.
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Post by Tyne Angler on Sept 19, 2007 11:06:20 GMT
I was a bit drunk before £300 tops and that's pushing it Does that include buying waders, net etc?? I presume after you other posts that this will mainly be used on the Tyne or Wear. Neck on the line here, I would be tempted to raid ebay. As an all round solid setup for the Tyne you would be hard pushed to beat the following: B&W Norway Speycaster 15ft 9/10 - 2nd hand est £150 Magnum 200D - 2nd hand est £25 Spare Spool - 2nd hand est £15 IG Floater 65ft 10/11 - £40 IG Intermediate 65ft 10/11 - £40 Add to this a few poly leaders, some maxima in 8, 12, 18lb, a small selection of Willie Gunn's, Cascades, Orange Ally's, Red/Copper Ally's and Silver Stoats in various sizes inc tubes. I would be more than happy to use the above from opening day to the last day of the season on the Tyne. For the Wear just scale the rod, reel and lines down slightly.
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Post by Tyne Andrew on Sept 19, 2007 11:47:18 GMT
I was a bit drunk before £300 tops and that's pushing it Does that include buying waders, net etc?? I presume after you other posts that this will mainly be used on the Tyne or Wear. Neck on the line here, I would be tempted to raid ebay. As an all round solid setup for the Tyne you would be hard pushed to beat the following: B&W Norway Speycaster 15ft 9/10 - 2nd hand est £150 Magnum 200D - 2nd hand est £25 Spare Spool - 2nd hand est £15 IG Floater 65ft 10/11 - £40 IG Intermediate 65ft 10/11 - £40 Add to this a few poly leaders, some maxima in 8, 12, 18lb, a small selection of Willie Gunn's, Cascades, Orange Ally's, Red/Copper Ally's and Silver Stoats in various sizes inc tubes. I would be more than happy to use the above from opening day to the last day of the season on the Tyne. For the Wear just scale the rod, reel and lines down slightly. Good advice there. The only thing i would change would be the line to a snowbee sinktip. Thats the only line i use on the Tyne all year from start to finish. Its very rare do i use an intermediate and have never used a sinker.
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Post by djb on Sept 19, 2007 14:59:49 GMT
Well worth watching ebay - there have been one or two Norway's recently which went for around the £150 mark.. Also good from time to time for waders/boots. I would also not discount one of the Shakey Oracle's for now - very good starter rod for the money and spend the money on a Monteith 9/10 (about to come out any time soon) or 10/11 multi-tip line system - www.themonteith.com/thereby eliminating the need for different lines/spools. A few of the good online shops to rod and reel offers on Oracle's. I got an Oracle with a Shakey reel/line/flees for the wife for around £90ish from reelsndeals and just put a better line on when I got it. Worth also looking at John Norris ( www.johnnorris.co.uk) once you have browsed.
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Post by Tyne Angler on Sept 20, 2007 8:09:52 GMT
How well does the Oracle handle sinking lines and tubes into upstream winds?
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Post by castelforte on Sept 20, 2007 9:37:21 GMT
Well worth watching ebay - there have been one or two Norway's recently which went for around the £150 mark.. Also good from time to time for waders/boots. I would also not discount one of the Shakey Oracle's for now - very good starter rod for the money and spend the money on a Monteith 9/10 (about to come out any time soon) or 10/11 multi-tip line system - www.themonteith.com/thereby eliminating the need for different lines/spools. A few of the good online shops to rod and reel offers on Oracle's. I got an Oracle with a Shakey reel/line/flees for the wife for around £90ish from reelsndeals and just put a better line on when I got it. Worth also looking at John Norris ( www.johnnorris.co.uk) once you have browsed. The old shakespeare oracle also had good write up in TS a few years back. I think this was the 3 piece. The TS data is skewed sometimes by value for money but the performance figures were pretty high as well. Anyone got a copy of that review? My fishing partner uses Thomas and Thomas 15 and he picked up an oracle on ebay (+reel) for a bargain price so your advice is sound. He wanted a spare rod and something to teach his 12 yr old son on that he would be less worried about damaging. Anyway he loves the oracle for performance and uses it regularly which is a big endorsement from a guy who hauled in 30lb King Salmon on his T&T in Alaska. CF
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Post by castelforte on Sept 20, 2007 9:42:02 GMT
I was a bit drunk before £300 tops and that's pushing it Does that include buying waders, net etc?? I presume after you other posts that this will mainly be used on the Tyne or Wear. Neck on the line here, I would be tempted to raid ebay. As an all round solid setup for the Tyne you would be hard pushed to beat the following: B&W Norway Speycaster 15ft 9/10 - 2nd hand est £150 Magnum 200D - 2nd hand est £25 Spare Spool - 2nd hand est £15 IG Floater 65ft 10/11 - £40 IG Intermediate 65ft 10/11 - £40 Add to this a few poly leaders, some maxima in 8, 12, 18lb, a small selection of Willie Gunn's, Cascades, Orange Ally's, Red/Copper Ally's and Silver Stoats in various sizes inc tubes. I would be more than happy to use the above from opening day to the last day of the season on the Tyne. For the Wear just scale the rod, reel and lines down slightly. Tyneangler, Also sound advice. I started with a BW Norway 15ft and would recommend one 2nd hand if you can find it. It is well built and often 2nd hand sales are from fishers who did not fish much so the 2nd hand deal can be a real bargain. OK not as cheap as a shakey but it will stand up to more abuse. On performance I think the shakey will suit the beginner better. It just feels more forgiving. CF
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Post by fruity on Sept 20, 2007 10:21:41 GMT
I would have thought a 13ft shakespeare rod would be better for a beginner to learn casting and probably more practical for fishing. With a shakespeare trion or other good cheap reel, and say a cheap DT floating line you are pretty much setup to begin and try casting and DH fly fishing for £150 tops. I can imagine you could kit yourself out with new gear for £100 from the pages of T&S or ebay. Since it seems you are already an angler I presume you would have thigh waders, just use those. You can get a sinking line or spey line and other tackle if you learn to cast and like it, add/upgrade as you choose/pocket allows.
If you didn't like fishing with a double handed rod then I would think you would have no problem selling the above tackle for slightly less than you paid for it.
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Post by neptune on Sept 20, 2007 19:07:04 GMT
i got a greys grxi 91/2` 7/8 +grxi matching reel for 150 got free backing & wf 8 floating line plus tippets & loops. waders cost 50 all from fishtec, net & accessories came from ebay shops all brand new i think the total cost was just under 300 even caught a grilse my first season
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Post by charliethompson on Sept 20, 2007 21:22:21 GMT
Thanks, I'm still listening and learning much appreciated
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Post by charliethompson on Sept 20, 2007 21:24:03 GMT
Maybe wait until the UK season's over then go nuts on e-bay? I always want to buy a fishing boat in the middle of June and Christmas tress in December
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Post by Willie Gunn on Sept 20, 2007 22:13:40 GMT
I would have thought a 13ft shakespeare rod would be better for a beginner to learn casting and probably more practical for fishing. With a shakespeare trion or other good cheap reel, and say a cheap DT floating line you are pretty much setup to begin and try casting and DH fly fishing for £150 tops. I can imagine you could kit yourself out with new gear for £100 from the pages of T&S or ebay. Since it seems you are already an angler I presume you would have thigh waders, just use those. You can get a sinking line or spey line and other tackle if you learn to cast and like it, add/upgrade as you choose/pocket allows. If you didn't like fishing with a double handed rod then I would think you would have no problem selling the above tackle for slightly less than you paid for it. Why would a 13 ft rod be easier to cast than a 15 ft rod? And why use a double taper when the experts like Ian Gordon or Gordon Armstrong spend time and effort in developing lines which cast much better? Go ith whit Tyne angler suggests possibly swapping the B&W for and Ian Gordon if you see one at a good price.
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Post by fruity on Sept 21, 2007 12:13:11 GMT
I can think of quite a few people who didn't persist or had initial trouble with the double handed rod because they were, as they viewed it, lumbered with a long and weighty rod they found difficult to control sufficiently.
Reducing these factors make things easier for the beginner with the result that they find controlling the rod/line and timing the cast easier. A 13ft rod is also more practical on small rivers, if more experience is gained he could move up to a more appropriate rod to match his competence-whether this is a better quality rod or longer rod. (If the guy was fishing the Tay I would recommend a 15ft rod to start with.)
The purpose of suggesting a DT line is that they are general purpose lines that allow the beginner to learn the fundamentals of casting and presentation with different lengths of line while using a DH rod, also they are adaptable to various casts in tight spaces on small rivers. You can easily pick up a floater for £10 and if it is damaged by appalling casting or in a tree etc then it is no great loss. Of course, if the beginner likes and continues to use the DH rod then he can buy whatever spey line suits him according to performance/price.
Just because the budget is £300 tops, and as he says "thats pushing it", it doesn't mean you have to spend £300. When the rod is a shakespeare with good reviews, I'd be happier to recommend the £150 kit. Anyway, while it may be possible to for the odd person to get a great deal on a particular rod via ebay/internet etc, in the main most anglers have to pay the going rate.
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Post by Tyne Angler on Sept 21, 2007 12:54:00 GMT
Just because the budget is £300 tops, and as he says "thats pushing it", it doesn't mean you have to spend £300. When the rod is a shakespeare with good reviews, I'd be happier to recommend the £150 kit. Anyway, while it may be possible to for the odd person to get a great deal on a particular rod via ebay/internet etc, in the main most anglers have to pay the going rate. Fruity Will this Shakespeare rod that you recommend handle fishing sinking lines and tubes in the Spring / Autumn in far from ideal conditions? Is your recommendation based on a magazine report where the expert testers have put on a floating line, small fly and wanged it out across the water then marked the performance down as excellent or have you yourself fished a full season in all conditions with this rod? I started by using a DT line which is now hidden away in the depths of a cupboard somewhere, if I was starting again it would be a Spey line everytime. Just because it has a 65ft head it does not mean that you must have the full 65ft head out for it to cast well. Buying decent gear in the beginning will save money in the long run and this comes from someone who started with the budget tackle all of which has now been upgraded/replaced.
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Post by fruity on Sept 21, 2007 13:20:18 GMT
I was not aware that the person was going to fish in far from ideal conditions, whatever they may be. Not that I mentioned a line rating or strength, but any rod can be used to cast a sinking line. I also presumed that he would be fishing small rivers. I don't know about whatever rod test you are talking about, just know from myself and others trying a shakespeare that we were surprised and impressed, good VFM.
I am well aware that a 65ft head does not mean you are restricted to casting that length, I use DT & spey lines depending on circumstances and consider that overall a DT line is better for small rivers. I never suggested buying anything other than decent gear. The first line will take a lot of punishment, better that it is a cheapy.
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Post by conwyrod on Sept 21, 2007 18:12:34 GMT
A relevant story for this thread. I know a lad who is a very good river trout fisher ( he has captained the Welsh International Rivers team in the past) who has just started salmon fly fishing this season. I met him on the Conwy yesterday where he explained he had borrowed a 13' Shakespeare rod (an older model), bought a Wychwood salmon reel for £29 and a Snowbee 2D floater plus some polytips - total cash outlay say £80. I'd previously told him to get some polytips and had also told him that red allys was a good pattern for the conwy. Anyway, to cut a long story short I blanked and he had 3 salmon on the above kit including a 10lb sea licer! Moral? It's not the tackle it's the guy using it! PS I think I made the mistake of concentrating on my favourite hotspot on a falling water, and waiting for fish that either didn't come or bombed up past me unseen.
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Post by lamson on Sept 21, 2007 19:43:58 GMT
Aw John , your such a Roundhead, you'll be wearing a hair shirt and self flagellating next..............steady there. Of course it's the fisher not the kit but as you know good quality kit is so much nicer to use, and as no matter how good you are we're all fated to spend a lot more time fishing than catching we may as well have something nice to fondle in the fish less interim Steve
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