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Post by troot on Mar 17, 2013 10:29:56 GMT
I enjoyed it too. Not sure what lordoftheflies is talking about either? Watch it again then....you may just grasp what i am talking about. I assumed your comments referred to the S Esk film (this being a thread about the S Esk film) but having just watched the Tay episode I assume that's the one your talking about.
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Post by lordoftheflies on Mar 17, 2013 10:46:17 GMT
Yes...but the Tay programs was on this thread too..it has now been removed. SalmoF has asked for feedback on all the programmes ...so i am simply pointing out aspects that may improve the next one...and maybe make it even more enjoyable than the last. As the film is about these wonderful creatures , it's important to point out the do's and dont's regarding bleeders ...would you not agree Troot ? I eagerly await his response...
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Post by ptg on Mar 17, 2013 11:14:36 GMT
Yes...but the Tay programs was on this thread too..it has now been removed. SalmoF has asked for feedback on all the programs ...so i am simply pointing out aspects that may improve the next one...and maybe make it even more enjoyable than the last. As the film is about these wonderful creatures , it's important to point out the do's and dont's regarding bleeders ...would you not agree Troot ? I eagerly await his response... Colin, I'm not quite sure where your coming from on this one.... Ok so it's a bleeder?? I can only assume that it went back regardless.... Greig asked for it to be photographed quickly! It doesn't the show the 16lbr being released either.... Do you assume they chapped that as well??
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Post by lordoftheflies on Mar 17, 2013 11:15:46 GMT
You are well off the mark...i'd certainly have chapped the second one.
I have always been curious about bleeding salmon...i wish some of these scientists could tag a bleeder ...i don't know if it's ever been done ?
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Post by strathglass on Mar 17, 2013 17:19:38 GMT
We will be visiting England, Ireland & Wales some of the time. So you are promoting your own interests you mean. If you want to promote Scotland as a fishing destination then do so and use a name that suggests so you are as bad as that FishPal mob Strange take on the situation, there could very well have been copyright issues calling a fishing programme Hooked Scotland. Too close to Hooked on Scotland for it to be allowed...
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Post by builnacraig on Mar 17, 2013 19:22:48 GMT
You are well off the mark...i'd certainly have chapped the second one. I have always been curious about bleeding salmon...i wish some of these scientists could tag a bleeder ...i don't know if it's ever been done ? I know that a bleeder was tagged on a far north river last year - it was later recaptured for a second time. Okay it is only one fish but as you point out something worth more investigation.
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Post by fredo on Mar 17, 2013 19:37:25 GMT
BnC should also remember a hen grilse I caught when fishing for a hatchery a few years ago. It was hooked in the gills and blood was seen to be pumping out when the fish was sitting in a keep net awaiting transport to the hatchery. The fish was placed in a holding tank on its own from the other broodstock as it was expected to die. The fish, although never very lively, survived to be stripped. There was the same level of mortality in the eggs from this fish as the others in the hatchery. Although this fish was caught late in the season season in cold water, it demonstrated to me that "bad bleeders" can survive and it is worth giving them the chance.
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Post by lordoftheflies on Mar 18, 2013 7:49:40 GMT
You can never criticize anyone for giving a bleeder a chance, and the last 2 posts certainly open my eyes on the subject.
I as i'm sure most of us who fish will take a fish or two per season...i'd personally prefer to take a bleeding fish if one comes along...and it usually does at some point ....and hopefully not a coloured one, which would go back regardless, so it's kind of comforting to know they have a chance.
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Post by kerrychalmers on Mar 18, 2013 11:31:27 GMT
Must say I agree with LOTF on the methods point re; line choice. Also if you had to kill the fish,then just say why,and make no excuses for it. You would be doing nothing wrong killing a fish that was bleeding so heavily. I myself picked up on what can only be described as " bad handling" of the kelt that was thrown unceremoniously, and almost contemptuously back into the water. These are all points you can learn from Gregg and do not be put off by criticism. Keep it up as the good points far outweigh the bad. Maybe just watch more, even give a few friends a look first before releasing for general viewing.
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Post by SalmoF on Mar 18, 2013 14:04:45 GMT
What happened to the 17lbr ?...i would like to see more honesty in films like this. Look's like someone had cut it's throat...some blood pumping out of that one. And more fly please...those pools would have fished the fly on a sunk line, not a floater with a 10ft tip... ;D..in springtime...come on.... ;D However it's always good to watch fishing programs....Do you pay to fish the beats ?... ;D ;D Thanks for your comments re the Tay program, I knew very well that the blood would be picked up and commented on in the forums. To be honest, it was one of they ones - will we chap or will we not? Looking back, Mike and myself done the correct thing and let the fish revive and go. After a good 5 minutes in the water, the bleeding eased of and the fish swam away sharply. I am confident that the fish will have survived, and to be honest best to have given the fish that chance, as I have seen far worse go back in the past. Re my line choice, The set up was a Skagit 700 grain with a 10ft T14 tip combined with a tungsten snaelda. We were fishing in fairly shallow streamy water for running fish, a full sunk line was not required given the low water conditions, I prefer a set of T-tips over traditional sunk lines given past success on this set up. I find that the T-tips give me flexibility with exploring the different depths. 90% of these shows will be fly fishing, but as you will know, to get the most out of the Tay, you need to be versatile, so spinning, harling & worming for that matter will feature. Having grew up fishing on the Tay and its tribs. I am more than happy to chuck a salmo or condom through a pool as I am the fly, I go on what suits the conditions. To answer your last question, sometime we go free and sometimes we don't. If we fish for free we make sure ghillies, staff and everyone involved are seen alright. It is not our style to accept freebies for nothing. Hope you have a great season, All the best, Greig
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Post by SalmoF on Mar 18, 2013 14:26:25 GMT
We will be visiting England, Ireland & Wales some of the time. So you are promoting your own interests you mean. If you want to promote Scotland as a fishing destination then do so and use a name that suggests so you are as bad as that FishPal mob Hi Stoney, I am indeed promoting our own interests, as after all we are running a fishing brand. I must point out though, whilst promoting our own interests, we are also promoting the beats, fisheries and lochs that we feature along the way - quite heavily infact and probably more so than our own whilst on film. I am keen to give maximum exposure to give benefit to all parties involved and provide entertainment along the way. Whether you decide to purchase fishing on the back of our shows is yours and only your decision. I personally am just happy that people are enjoying the shows. Tight lines, Greig
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Post by lordoftheflies on Mar 18, 2013 15:09:23 GMT
SalmoF....the last question regarding freebie's was tounge and cheek.. Maybe it could have been a more open , regarding the fish...maybe explaining about bleeding fish....which can be a grey area...so it could have been a good opportunity for others including myself on how to deal with this situation...especially with the audience these films will attract. Great viewing....and a hell of a lot better than Robson Green I also noticed the poor handling of the kelt, and I'm still not sure about the bleeders surviving and it would be a great step forward if research could be done regarding these .
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Post by angusangling on Mar 18, 2013 17:34:10 GMT
Great films greig, keep em coming!!
All the best Neil.
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Post by troot on Mar 18, 2013 18:04:22 GMT
Regarding bleeders, I would have thought best advice for novices like me would be put them all back. That way the fish might survive. The alternative is certain death! Filming the chapping of a bleeder would potentially provide a fine excuse for others to follow suit. As I understand it, 100% C&R rivers expect bleeding fish to go back. If the beat allows you to take a fish then that's obviously a different story in which case if you want a fish, a bleeder would be the one to take. Just my tuppence worth
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Post by SalmoF on Mar 18, 2013 18:49:13 GMT
SalmoF....the last question regarding freebie's was tounge and cheek.. Maybe it could have been a more open , regarding the fish...maybe explaining about bleeding fish....which can be a grey area...so it could have been a good opportunity for others including myself on how to deal with this situation...especially with the audience these films will attract. Great viewing....and a hell of a lot better than Robson Green I also noticed the poor handling of the kelt, and I'm still not sure about the bleeders surviving and it would be a great step forward if research could be done regarding these . I hear what you are saying about the fish and noted. I will ensure that we include this for the benefit of any newcomers to the sport and to open up this grey area. To show a bleeding springer on film would not be a good thing. What we will do though, is later in the season, when the grilse are on the go (if they come this year) we will show a fish that is bleeding, being killed correctly and cooked on the fire by the river. Thanks for the support, Helmsdale next! Greig
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Post by SalmoF on Mar 18, 2013 18:51:38 GMT
Great films greig, keep em coming!! All the best Neil. Cheers Neil!
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Post by oldredshrimp on Mar 21, 2013 20:56:13 GMT
Really enjoy the films ,shows the rivers and pools off to anyone thinking of fishing them Great viewing I hear you are coming to the Tyne ,do you know which beat ? Keep them coming Best wishes Old red shrimp
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Post by SalmoF on Mar 26, 2013 15:09:06 GMT
Really enjoy the films ,shows the rivers and pools off to anyone thinking of fishing them Great viewing I hear you are coming to the Tyne ,do you know which beat ? Keep them coming Best wishes Old red shrimp HI, thanks for the comments, appreciated! Undecided on the Tyne but this will be teamed up with a trip to the Tweed later in the season. Will keep everyone posted though. Best, Greig P.S. New show from the Helmsdale just up today. Catch it at www.flyfishingchannel.tv
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