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Post by Willie Gunn on Dec 30, 2013 13:52:43 GMT
Again, it is almost becoming a tradition now; I had a alcohol fueled discussion with the Spey Board Chairman about pool names. This year it was Vrennon, on the Knockando home beat that caused the biggest disagreement. Does anyone have any theories of what Vrennon means or where it comes from? Googling does not seem to help just coming up with Sir David’s race horse that was named after the pool rather than visa versa.
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Post by devronmac on Dec 30, 2013 16:57:03 GMT
Was your alcohol fuelled discussion similar to this one? Were these guys arguing about the same pool name I wonder ?
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Post by devronmac on Dec 30, 2013 18:45:18 GMT
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Post by hf on Dec 30, 2013 22:57:54 GMT
Irish gaelic has the name Brennan (Brennon) and means teardrop. Could be a reference to the shape of the pool or a reference to the nearby cemetery. (Don't know the answer to this but in gaelic, is the letter b pronounced as a v? Hf
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Post by Willie Gunn on Dec 31, 2013 11:20:44 GMT
Irish gaelic has the name Brennan (Brennon) and means teardrop. Could be a reference to the shape of the pool or a reference to the nearby cemetery. (Don't know the answer to this but in gaelic, is the letter b pronounced as a v? Hf The two of you are on to something I think, Vrennon is certainly a teardrop shape.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Dec 31, 2013 13:21:47 GMT
Alan says we are barking up the wrong tree, but suggests Eric ought to be best placed to come up with the correct answer! ( he is getting even more annoying than usual)
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Post by devronmac on Dec 31, 2013 13:42:29 GMT
Who is it that is getting most annoying, Eric or Alan ? You haven't told us what Alan's theory is yet ?
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Post by devronmac on Dec 31, 2013 14:16:26 GMT
Having carried out a fair bit of research into my ancestry in the Parish of Inveravon I came across a reference to a burial ground on the banks of the Spey below Knockando House. The name of that burial ground was Puhrenan. Once again this could be a derivation of Brennon or Vrennon. That's the best I can do. If someone has a better theory let's have it ?
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Post by hf on Dec 31, 2013 16:11:33 GMT
Who is it that is getting most annoying, Eric or Alan ? You haven't told us what Alan's theory is yet ? I assumed it was the other gentleman. (Maybe wrongly)
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Post by hf on Dec 31, 2013 16:24:50 GMT
Having carried out a fair bit of research into my ancestry in the Parish of Inveravon I came across a reference to a burial ground on the banks of the Spey below Knockando House. The name of that burial ground was Puhrenan. Once again this could be a derivation of Brennon or Vrennon. That's the best I can do. If someone has a better theory let's have it ? My thought was that the teardrop could also possibly go in hand with the burial ground. Is this on the right track?
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Post by Willie Gunn on Dec 31, 2013 16:26:49 GMT
Who is it that is getting most annoying, Eric or Alan ? You haven't told us what Alan's theory is yet ? Alan, Eric is a perfect gentleman. Alan reckons no one can get "his" correct answer before 12th night. Having carried out a fair bit of research into my ancestry in the Parish of Inveravon I came across a reference to a burial ground on the banks of the Spey below Knockando House. The name of that burial ground was Puhrenan. Once again this could be a derivation of Brennon or Vrennon. That's the best I can do. If someone has a better theory let's have it ? You might be there, Mel. Pool names do get altered a bit over the years, I always thought it was the English gentlemen's inability to understand a doric tongue.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Dec 31, 2013 21:10:56 GMT
Having carried out a fair bit of research into my ancestry in the Parish of Inveravon I came across a reference to a burial ground on the banks of the Spey below Knockando House. The name of that burial ground was Puhrenan. Once again this could be a derivation of Brennon or Vrennon. That's the best I can do. If someone has a better theory let's have it ? Puhlrenon is another variation. The whole area is called Puhlrenan/Puhlrenon but what does the name mean? Apparently that is the question.
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Post by hf on Jan 1, 2014 8:06:46 GMT
Having carried out a fair bit of research into my ancestry in the Parish of Inveravon I came across a reference to a burial ground on the banks of the Spey below Knockando House. The name of that burial ground was Puhrenan. Once again this could be a derivation of Brennon or Vrennon. That's the best I can do. If someone has a better theory let's have it ? Puhlrenon is another variation. The whole area is called Puhlrenan/Puhlrenon but what does the name mean? Apparently that is the question. Puhl is gaelic pronunciation for 'bol'. Bol is old norse for a dwelling/abode. That would suggest Renon's dwelling/abode. Gaelicnorseinthelandscape.pdf see page 31 under the place name arnabol ... then go to wiktionary and find the meaning of the word bol. Is this on the right track?? Happy New year.
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Post by devronmac on Jan 1, 2014 12:20:41 GMT
www.scottish-places.info/parishes/parhistory273.htmlSee end of first paragraph and beginning of second on this link for information about Puhrenan.Good gaelic detective work hf. Looks like between us we have cracked it and provided a bit of additional and interesting local history to those who live around Archieston/Carron. Happy New Year.
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Post by devronmac on Jan 1, 2014 12:55:52 GMT
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Post by hf on Jan 1, 2014 13:09:40 GMT
www.scottish-places.info/parishes/parhistory273.htmlSee end of first paragraph and beginning of second on this link for information about Puhrenan.Good gaelic detective work hf. Looks like between us we have cracked it and provided a bit of additional and interesting local history to those who live around Archieston/Carron. Happy New Year. Devronmac.... don't know if we've cracked it yet but we certainly have added to the theories. I hope we're on the right lines. Good work indeed
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Post by hf on Jan 1, 2014 14:19:27 GMT
www.surnamedb.com/Surname/RenonThe above link may provide more info as to the word Renon: "Thirdly it may be of Scottish locational origin from a place called Raine in the county of Aberdeenshire. This is named after the Old Gaelic "rath chain", meaning "the ford where the tax is paid". The surname is first recorded in Scotland in the late 12th Century" Reference then may be to the abode/farm where the ford crossed the river. Could be a tax was also collected. (Any warmer?)
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Post by Willie Gunn on Jan 1, 2014 17:26:33 GMT
The man from Delmonte he say NO you are getting colder rather than warmer.
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Post by devronmac on Jan 1, 2014 21:25:34 GMT
He is just playing for time !
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Post by hf on Jan 2, 2014 10:07:12 GMT
He is just playing for time ! I need a little bit more direction on this one.....not quite sure where else to go but good work so far devronmac.
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