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Post by kerrychalmers on Feb 10, 2014 18:22:17 GMT
I have been sitting here thinking about the plight of Spring Salmon this afternoon and this thought come to me! Would banning spinning in the spring be a good conservation tool? Have there been any studies undertaken on this subject?
Kerry Chalmers.
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Post by devronmac on Feb 10, 2014 18:46:44 GMT
This has for a long time been a bit of a controversial subject but in my opinion there should be a ban on spinning especially for spring fish. I would imagine that the ASFB recent ruling to stop killing all spring fish must also apply to spinning, but it is up to individual river boards, with the co-operation of fishing beats and angling associations to make such a ruling effective. The Tweed have such a ban up until 2015 I believe,and so far as I am aware the Aberdeenshire Dee is fly only. Spinning is still permitted on some beats on the Spey although increasingly is not considered to be beneficial to the river. Using barbless hooks or debarbed hooks where spinning is still allowed would be a good move and indeed this is encouraged on some rivers where spinning is still permitted. Some boards request that fly should be fished in the first instance and spinning only practised above a certain water level. I'd be in favour of a spring ban but I think it would be difficult to administer.
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Post by Neil on Feb 10, 2014 19:00:04 GMT
Kerry - give us a break - we fish the "big water" where fly is taken to the max and you want to ban spinning with another 6-8ft on top of it! Or are you just "trawling" - as usual!! Regards
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Post by kerrychalmers on Feb 10, 2014 19:18:45 GMT
Kerry - give us a break - we fish the "big water" where fly is taken to the max and you want to ban spinning with another 6-8ft on top of it! Or are you just "trawling" - as usual!! Regards Neil I never said I wanted it banned Neil! Just wondered if it would be a good conservation tool and if any studies had been done. Mac has said some rivers had already done this so I would be keen to see any stats available. Regards back...hope you are well. Kerry Chalmers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2014 22:39:38 GMT
This thread raises many more questions in my mind than answers. 1. I understand that a double hook has less "power" than a treble i.e. less chance of damage. But in Canada singles, being the least method of actually hooking a fish are the norm. Why have we in Scotland adopted the double as "the compromise". 2. Why not spinners with single hooks ? 3. I for one feel that spinning should be accommodated for elderly fishers who might no longer be able to throw a line. 4. The Tweed has spring conservation measures, but is it an anomaly that spinning is allowed at all heights throughout the summer ? Where I was brought up it was in spate conditions only. 5. I for one believe there is skill to spinning just like there is in fly fishing. 6. My father gave up fishing because of the lack of opportunity to spin when he could no longer cast a fly - I might well be in the same position some day. 7. The ultimate catch and release is to use a fly with no hook - I have done this with trout when they are snaffling the right pattern on the top (in the good old days), and once out of season testing a salmon line with a bottle tube no hook - shocked to rise a kelt with just a bump !. I am not a "spinner man" - last time spinning was in early '90's and I had no confidence in using a spinner, but banning this that and the next to detriment of others seems too politically correct for me, I understand there needs to be a balance but a ban Harling is not for me - but for the fish they are not bothered who is at the end of the line. Tweedcast
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Post by Willie Gunn on Feb 11, 2014 8:18:05 GMT
,and so far as I am aware the Aberdeenshire Dee is fly only. Umm a bit like it is 100% C&R I don't think so.
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Post by earnfisher on Feb 11, 2014 9:50:07 GMT
Why do fishers keep talking about banning this and that. It is not the fishers that are the problem. They are about the only ones that are trying to get more fish into the rivers. It always surprises me how people think that returning spring fish up to say June will make any diffrence. Were do the same fish go after June as they can not get out the water and hide. Bob
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Post by GPT on Feb 11, 2014 11:20:12 GMT
It always surprises me how people think that returning spring fish up to say June will make any diffrence. Were do the same fish go after June as they can not get out the water and hide. Bob I thought it was a commonly held belief that spring fish become almost impossible to catch during summer only coming back on the take again in the autumn, by which point even the most priest-happy angler would want to return them.
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Post by mows on Feb 11, 2014 13:05:07 GMT
Gents,
Why are you responding to Kerry's blatant attempt at a wind up. I know its still the quiet season and everyone is still cabin crazy. So far everyone has done well in ignoring Kerry's deliberately provocative posts and by default Kerry hasnt managed to cause any real dischord or arguments yet. Leave this one alone as well and only respond to Kerry's sensible posts. That way everyone is happy and Kerry is encouraged to post positively.
Cheers
Mows
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Post by kerrychalmers on Feb 11, 2014 13:29:12 GMT
Gents, Why are you responding to Kerry's blatant attempt at a wind up. I know its still the quiet season and everyone is still cabin crazy. So far everyone has done well in ignoring Kerry's deliberately provocative posts and by default Kerry hasnt managed to cause any real dischord or arguments yet. Leave this one alone as well and only respond to Kerry's sensible posts. That way everyone is happy and Kerry is encouraged to post positively. Cheers Mows Quite why you think this is a wind up is beyond me Mows! Am I deliberately provocative? Maybe a woman thing! Thank you for encouraging me to be positive. There is always one! People are debating my post whats wrong with that? Tweedcast has given a great reply on the subject! Kerry Chalmers.
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Post by strathglass on Feb 11, 2014 20:43:04 GMT
....only respond to Kerry's sensible posts. Shouldn't take up too much time Mows.
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Post by kerrychalmers on Feb 11, 2014 21:32:34 GMT
....only respond to Kerry's sensible posts. Shouldn't take up too much time Mows. Thats not very nice! Kerry
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 9:15:12 GMT
fwiw I thought it was a decent post and a reasonably put question. but I think earnfisher hits the nail on the head. these spring fish do remain in the rivers and of course become the huge kippers that often get knocked on the head by fishmongers who are worming the higher reaches of rivers at the back end. protecting them in spring then becomes a fruitless exercise. I personally don't have any objection to measures that will attempt to protect fish. restricting certain fishing methods has always been a typical approach. don't forget that in certain areas, by certain people, at certain times in the past, netting, poisoning, gaffing, foul-hooking and even dynamiting were all considered acceptable! if we place our own selves as arbiters of what is acceptable, we have to be prepared to take a hit ourselves from time to time
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Post by earnfisher on Feb 12, 2014 10:21:50 GMT
Regarding returning springers. Have seen to many fish caught that "have only been in the water for a week" right through to the back end. Spinning with trebles can cause problems but over a life times fishing i have had more fish with a small fly down there throat that was bleeding. Ban prawns/shrimps/worms/spiners/small flies/all salmon fishing that is the way it seams to me to be going. Bob
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Post by tweedsider on Feb 13, 2014 10:58:51 GMT
In over 50 years angling I have only fished once in none tidal waters with a spinner ( flying C) , and that was first cast over a number of fish which had ignored plenty opportunities over the previous 6 hours with a variety of flies and leaders. That is my sum and substance of spinning experience. Yet there are dubs and pools on most rivers where fly fishing is inappropriate, due to depths , counter currents or any number of reasons. As long as I am able to wield a fly rod it will always be my chosen method of angling, some day perhaps this may not be the case and I shall be glad to cast a spun lure.
The main comment I have heard from Tweed ghillies is that they do not want to see spinning banned, most feel it would lead to a drop in catches and bookings. As already posted the way forward must be towards making the unhooking of spinner caught fish a simpler task. I am sure Flying Cs are already available with only a single hook.
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Post by devronmac on Feb 13, 2014 12:02:48 GMT
I have advocated a ban on spinning for spring salmon. I am the first to admit that in my early years of salmon angling in the 60s and early 70s I caught many spring salmon by spinning.....mainly with a wooden devon. In those days this was the preferred method, but that was before I became adept with a fly rod and salmon fly tackle became much more sophisticated. I agree that spinning is an art in itself as is worming and that when I get very old ( I'm getting there now) and am no longer fit to cast a big salmon fly rod it would be good to be able to have an alternative if one was available. I would however refrain from spinning in low water conditions and would no longer use the treble mounts that I used to use. Instead I would opt for single barbless hooks but would never spin in the spring months. I feel that our spring salmon are the most valuable to any river system and deserve the very best chance to reach the spawning grounds.As we all probably agree they are in increasing short supply and truly deserve all the help we can give them. This of course is my personal opinion after 55 years as a salmon angler and almost certainly there will be those that disagree my views. I should also say that I consider this to be a very valid thread for the Forum and it is clear from the number of responses that other forum members think likewise.
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