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Post by Willie Gunn on Apr 20, 2016 19:22:47 GMT
I fancy trying singles again this year. No nothing to do with match.com or any such. I always believe an off set is important. The question is- does it matter which way the off set is? Do I need 2 sets? One with a off set to the right and another with the offset to the left? And would I need to change from one to the other if I changed banks? Or am I over thinking the whole thing?
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Post by G Ritchie on Apr 20, 2016 20:57:34 GMT
Would the fly swim correctly if tied on an offset hook?
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Post by Willie Gunn on Apr 20, 2016 21:06:22 GMT
Would the fly swim correctly if tied on an offset hook? You are not helping!
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Post by olsonreels on Apr 21, 2016 13:56:00 GMT
I don't think it makes any difference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 16:55:40 GMT
iirc all my old (ancient) singles were flat, with no offset? i think that might have been standard? but i have heard it said that, looking along the shank of the hook from eye backwards, right bank, right offset. not sure just what difference it would make, though the justification is that a fish taking a fly fished this way, will typically come from behind and to the left of the fly, from the angler's pov, thus the offset aids the setting of the hook. and of course, equally, left bank, left offset. make of that what you will. i'm increasingly of the opinion that it's all about the take so am wondering if i really do have the cheek to go fishing with only a few strands of red wool on the end. i've thought about it a few times but...i doubt it somehow
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Post by Willie Gunn on Apr 21, 2016 18:15:34 GMT
iirc all my old (ancient) singles were flat, with no offset? i think that might have been standard? but i have heard it said that, looking along the shank of the hook from eye backwards, right bank, right offset. not sure just what difference it would make, though the justification is that a fish taking a fly fished this way, will typically come from behind and to the left of the fly, from the angler's pov, thus the offset aids the setting of the hook. and of course, equally, left bank, left offset. make of that what you will. i'm increasingly of the opinion that it's all about the take so am wondering if i really do have the cheek to go fishing with only a few strands of red wool on the end. i've thought about it a few times but...i doubt it somehow Thanks for that. What about just painting the hooks red or green, giving you a red shank or a green shank? That used to catch fish at Cairnton! Thanks I will try, right offset on right bank, I just need enough takes to see if it works. Perhaps a hook manufacturer would like to sponsor a trip to Russia so I could do this testing quickly.
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Post by earnfisher on Apr 25, 2016 8:20:09 GMT
W. G, is it not a bit late after the first of April ?. Used to use model perfect hooks which had an offset but think they went out of fashion because of flytyers breaking them in the vice. Sounds like an article in Trout and Salmon by a well known fisher. If fish take the fly coming from left to right give them slack but if taking the other way tighten right away. Bob
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Post by devronmac on Apr 25, 2016 8:55:10 GMT
Hope you get enough practice to test this out. With 57 + days in 2.5 months so far this season and if you keep this up you should at least get one offer before the end of the season but will you be able to tell which way the fish is taking the fly ? Incidentally I use to use low water singles (straight) for many years for salmon and hooked and lost just as many as I do now with doubles. I still use straight singles in the autumn when there are a lot of leaves in the water. I used to use Martin's outpoint singles when fly fishing on Loch Lomond and they were very good hookers. Perhaps you should also try debarbing the singles ? How many actually do this ?
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Post by olsonreels on Apr 25, 2016 21:04:15 GMT
Being a steelhead angler in the PNW singles (with the barb crimped) are the general law of the land. Some places you can fish doubles and even trebles but nearly all require the barb(s) to be crimped.
All things being equal in my experience- siwash hooks don't hook any better than inline points. Siwash hooks don't hold any better either. There are a few single hooks that you can run on tubes or shanks that come slightly offset. They come from the hook maker bent one way meant to be fished from both river banks.
Since barbs aren't regulated away on the Spey you will find they do hold better than when crimped. Since the wind always seems to howl when I am over fishing Scotland, not sure I have the cajones to fish barbed hooks. Especially since I fish single irons in the #2-4/0 range most of the time. Not a pleasant experience if you pin yourself with a barb.
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Post by fredo on Apr 26, 2016 10:25:53 GMT
I fish single hooks when fishing with awake fly for grilse(and the occasional salmon over here. Also singles on the point in low water conditions. I tear the odd hook out but, other than during the take, drop very few fish. But once the water is up, I prefer a small microbarb treble on tube flies over here. On bigger rivers, I am happy with a double or treble hook on any fly. For the life of me, I cannot understand how small treble hooks are frowned upon, but it seems acceptable to fish with a large single hook which, for me, increases the chances of damging a fish.
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Post by Willie Gunn on May 2, 2016 18:39:43 GMT
5 landed in a spring week, so not too unhappy. 3 on doubles and one lost. 2 on singles and one lost. Not proven, a special Scottish term.
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Post by ravenscraig on May 2, 2016 21:55:10 GMT
Was that Straight or Offset (Bent) singles you got them on ?
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Post by Willie Gunn on May 3, 2016 7:34:20 GMT
Was that Straight or Offset (Bent) singles you got them on ? Offset but not side dependent
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Post by Willie Gunn on May 4, 2016 19:23:08 GMT
2 more on singles today, I am starting to get more confident,
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Post by robmason on Nov 20, 2016 8:50:20 GMT
2 more on singles today, I am starting to get more confident, How did the season end? Proven or not proven?
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Post by Willie Gunn on Nov 20, 2016 11:08:21 GMT
How did the season end? Proven or not proven? I probably lost more on doubles than on singles. Not really enough fish hooked or landed to make a definite decision but I will continue to use them again next year.
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Post by robmason on Nov 20, 2016 12:46:33 GMT
I have used some ever so slightly offset carp singles but 1 kelt and a grilse are level VI evidence at best!
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Post by tenet on Nov 20, 2016 14:16:23 GMT
Having lost fish on both the Thurso and the Stinchar in 2015 with doubles I promised myself that 2016 would be the year of the single hook. My reasoning was that singles are very successful on salmon loughs and that great caster and fisherman James Chalmers invariably uses them. My spring trip was thwarted owing to an operation to fuse my ankle joint and the Autumn trip to the Stinchar proved fish less mainly due to exceptionally low water. Perhaps 2017 will prove more successful.
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Post by sinkingtip on Nov 21, 2016 13:25:19 GMT
Apart from fishing, very occasionally, singles for sea trout, I tend to fish doubles mostly - and just sometimes, a wee treble. The idea of singles makes me feel slightly nervous.
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Post by allysshrimp on Nov 21, 2016 17:21:43 GMT
Haven't used singles for some years now, like Andy preferring Doubles. I do like a wee Treble though with small tubes and cones.
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