dunkeld
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Post by dunkeld on Jan 29, 2017 19:34:05 GMT
While January isn't a particularly great month for qty of Salmon in the river nowadays, 4 for the week is pretty miserable. Early days but hope it picks up soonest.
What used to be the catches in January way back 20-30 years ago guys?
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deedon
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Post by deedon on Jan 29, 2017 20:13:49 GMT
Could be that the excitement of opening week has passed and the eager rods have all had their days out? Not so many rods out now making it look less productive.
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fredo
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Post by fredo on Jan 29, 2017 21:01:10 GMT
King Tony of Murthly reckons it is mid March before you can reasonably expect a decent run into the Tay. Any fish up to that point are a bonus.
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Post by sinkingtip on Jan 29, 2017 22:29:17 GMT
I believe the river as a whole is ahead on this time last year. If the water remains low and cold I would suspect the lower river to start producing. I agree with TB, mid-March has always heralded the start of the spring run proper.
"20 or 30 years ago" ?? Certainly a few more than we are getting these days but it didn't really seem to matter back then as we weren't slaves to Facebook, mobile phones, forums or Fishpal.
I blame Facebook for the lack of fish.
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Post by allysshrimp on Jan 30, 2017 6:04:43 GMT
In terms o numbers, there up by a couple on last year....got this from a guid source As for the numbers o fish being caught, I never expect to see much more than what is being caught nowadays. Roll on March.
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Post by doonrod on Jan 30, 2017 7:06:02 GMT
The fish will have been able to spread themselves out a bit better due to a warmer start to the season . Probably to beats where there is not alot of angling activity early on in the season because it was always thought less productive right at the start . I think if you had seen higher water and lower temperatures holding the fish back in the usual early spots like Linn Pool and Catholes then you would have seen better catches as that is where the early early angling activity is usually focused on and usually it is rightly so . I'm surprised more has not came off Loch Tay but I am sure that this has also been down to lack of Angling activity . I would say that due to the higher temps there will be a few more fish in the loch than normal . I think the fish are just a bit more spread out to areas where angling pressure is a bit lighter . I also agree with the chain of thought that internet pre-fishing as I call it does have an adverse effect on fish numbers . Gone are the days when folk just went for the heck of it and were pleasently surprised when they connected with a fish low or high water conditions . Now most fishers try and check water levels first and base their fishing journey on that before they take the wee chance and just go . Its doesnt always mean to say that the fish are not there ?
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deedon
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Post by deedon on Jan 30, 2017 15:54:51 GMT
FishPal have given everyone the means to find out what's getting caught where and when. The problem with that is that, now people are more inclined to stay at home and let someone else catch the fish. Only then will they get out and give it a go themselves when fish are obviously present in the beats. Works well when the going is good but when times are hard ie the Dee just now, then it's your worst enemy in terms of trying to sell rods. Look at the Spey. Most beats tend to keep their catches to themselves and many rods are still willing to spend a few quid fishing them. This is without knowing the full extent of whats being caught on the river and when.
I honestly believe the internet as a whole is not helping salmon fishing and has now turned many a pleasure angler into fish hungry catch watchers rather than just going out fishing because they enjoy it. As you say Doonrod, not many salmon anglers go out just for the sake of it these days. I'm sure many of them would catch a few extra salmon each season if they did because you certainly don't catch salmon sitting looking at a computer screen.
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Post by devronmac on Jan 30, 2017 17:01:48 GMT
I am a regular visitor to Fishpal and Farson Digital websites. Nowadays with all this information available I tend to wait until the fishing conditions (water levels, weather conditions etc) look most favourable for a trip to the water rather than wait for someone else to catch the fish whilst I am sitting at home. It helps of course if, as I can,you are able to simply go at a moments notice when conditions are right. Unfortunately just when conditions look about right something like family or friends visiting unexpectedly crops up to keep me away from the river ! Such is life.
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Post by doonrod on Jan 30, 2017 17:41:45 GMT
It really depends on what kind of river it is . A river like the Tay can produce a salmon on any day of the year never mind the season . If it was a water dependent spate river then I might take a second guess but with a larger river I think it doesnt matter as much . I've never let fish pal put me off a trip to the Tay- granted that you know before you set off that conditions may not be completely in your favour . I think that unless it is a complete wash out flood above say 9- 10 ft then you always have a chance especially on certain beats on the Tay .
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fredo
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Post by fredo on Jan 30, 2017 18:49:43 GMT
In terms o numbers, there up by a couple on last year....got this from a guid source As for the numbers o fish being caught, I never expect to see much more than what is being caught nowadays. Roll on March. Good source? Is he reliable?
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herbie29
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Post by herbie29 on Jan 30, 2017 20:03:23 GMT
I would not blame the internet ,facebook or fishpal alone for this as the day of dead mans shoes are gone and in that time to get the chance of a good week of the season you had to take an early week and slowly move up to a more favorable week when the chance occurred.I believe that on some beats if the head of the party passed away then they lost that week as it did not pass on to another member of the party. In those days if you had spent your hard earned money then you tended to fish those days as demand for fishing was higher than supply but in this day and age with very few young anglers comming into the sport it will only get worse . It would be intresting to see how the rod catches compair now with the past on rod days fished I believe the perceived drop is not quite as large as you think. As from what I have been told from some older ghillies I have fished with on the Spey the beats from Grantown down river were fully let from opening day.
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Post by sinkingtip on Jan 30, 2017 21:34:44 GMT
I honestly believe the internet as a whole is not helping salmon fishing and has now turned many a pleasure angler into fish hungry catch watchers rather than just going out fishing because they enjoy it. Unfortunate, but true.
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