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Post by G Ritchie on Jan 3, 2008 11:27:19 GMT
Do people get taken up with the desire to cast long distances at the expense of effective fishing?
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Post by allysshrimp on Jan 3, 2008 12:45:37 GMT
I have seen many anglers Graham try to put out the line as far as possible,I dont know why.Most of these people though are inexperienced in my opinion or maybe they feel if they are covering more water that they will increase there chances of a fish.
Personally I go for presentation,trying to position myself in the right spot when i am wading,to get the fly out to where it can cover the lie efectivly. There are times though when good long casting can be usefull as you know doubt know yourself.I had a friend though sadly gone now,who never fished with any more than 15yrds of line below the rod tip,and he was one of the most successful anglers that I new. Bill.
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Post by Speyducer on Jan 3, 2008 13:14:11 GMT
I think the desire to cast to the horizon, right across the river, and possibly beyond, or, at least over some taking fish at shorter distances does appear to have been the aim of some.
Whilst I do like to 'test out' the rod/line combo to the maximum of my abilities in handling that combo, this is usually at 'quieter' times ie. when there is little opportunity to actually contact a fish at that bit of water.
I do feel that testing the rod/line combo to its maximum potential (in my hands at any rate), this gives a better feel for the gear for when the casting for fish is done, even though that is at shorter distances.
Getting used to what your gear will handle is quite important, but always casting for the horizon is, in my view, not only unnecessary, but often counterproductive (wasting time in that distance casting when you should be concentrating on getting the fly to where the fish are, or are most likely to be)
A very good way, when starting off on a particular pool is to cast a very short line, and lengthen each subsequent cast from the same standing position by 12 to 18 inches, until you have reached the furthest you require from that spot, and then do the cast and step-down program. If there is no pressure on that water/pool (ie no-one behind you) then it is often with to make two different length casts from each standing position before stepping down, and then you can be fairly certain you should have covered all the possible taking fish in that pool within the limits of your rod/line & casting abilties.
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Post by allysshrimp on Jan 3, 2008 13:39:50 GMT
I think the desire to cast to the horizon, right across the river, and possibly beyond, or, at least over some taking fish at shorter distances does appear to have been the aim of some. Whilst I do like to 'test out' the rod/line combo to the maximum of my abilities in handling that combo, this is usually at 'quieter' times ie. when there is little opportunity to actually contact a fish at that bit of water. I do feel that testing the rod/line combo to its maximum potential (in my hands at any rate), this gives a better feel for the gear for when the casting for fish is done, even though that is at shorter distances. Getting used to what your gear will handle is quite important, but always casting for the horizon is, in my view, not only unnecessary, but often counterproductive (wasting time in that distance casting when you should be concentrating on getting the fly to where the fish are, or are most likely to be) A very good way, when starting off on a particular pool is to cast a very short line, and lengthen each subsequent cast from the same standing position by 12 to 18 inches, until you have reached the furthest you require from that spot, and then do the cast and step-down program. If there is no pressure on that water/pool (ie no-one behind you) then it is often with to make two different length casts from each standing position before stepping down, and then you can be fairly certain you should have covered all the possible taking fish in that pool within the limits of your rod/line & casting abilties. Mike I fully agree with you Mike. That is the way I fish through a pool.I may though when I go through it again,change my starting position.Which in turn will change the angle and speed of the fly over the lies,without having to mend the line to achieve this. I have fround this to be very productive when the water is low.As I dont like to mend the line too often in these conditions,for obvious reasons. Bill
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Post by tynespeycaster on Jan 3, 2008 13:58:06 GMT
Do people get taken up with the desire to cast long distances at the expense of effective fishing? Yes I think we do, but it does feel good to when you can manage to use the excellent present day gear to its full potential. And as the ghillie always says 'as far as you can cast laddie, you'll cover more fushes'
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Post by charlieH on Jan 3, 2008 14:56:24 GMT
And as the ghillie always says 'as far as you can cast laddie, you'll cover more fushes' Or as the other gillie always says "Worry about catching the fish on the other side of the river after you've caught all the ones on this side". In answer to the question, yes, it's a great temptation to strive for distance at the expense of good fishing. The difference between making good consistent casts and pushing too hard is often only a matter of a yard or two. When I've lengthened my casts to what I feel is the maximum, I sometimes make myself wind in a few feet. It can be surprising how much your casting improves, and you will undoubtedly fish better for the loss of only a little water coverage.
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Post by sinkingtip on Jan 3, 2008 16:04:30 GMT
Cant really add to any of the above learned opinions suffice to say .......
Distance when required but never for the sake of it - unless trying "to impress the lassies" as mentioned in another thread. Never underestimate the effectiveness of the shorter cast - especially to begin with and for obvious reasons. Never assume that a long line will be covering more fish - it might be !, but will it be effectively eg. at the appropriate depth and speed ? Better to fish a shorter line well than a long line poorly.
Presentation ? Always !! - regardless of length of cast.
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Post by conwyrod on Jan 3, 2008 18:22:26 GMT
Do people get taken up with the desire to cast long distances at the expense of effective fishing? Yes, and many people disturb pools with speycasting when an overhead cast is a better option.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Jan 3, 2008 18:33:12 GMT
Yes, and many people disturb pools with speycasting when an overhead cast is a better option. A speycast if properly carried out will cause less disturbance than a overhead cast. Overhead casting is a poor cast for direction change.
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Post by conwyrod on Jan 3, 2008 19:04:43 GMT
A speycast if properly carried out will cause less disturbance than a overhead cast. Overhead casting is a poor cast for direction change. Malcolm, I was thinking of lowish water conditions when you can overhead cast from the bank without getting in the water. I've also heard this is the preferred casting method on smaller rivers like the Thurso. My own speycasting is rather splashy (at the anchor), but I can overhead cast with my 13' rod with minimal water disturbance.
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Post by severnfisher on Jan 3, 2008 19:27:13 GMT
] A speycast if properly carried out will cause less disturbance than a overhead cast. Overhead casting is a poor cast for direction change. Have you developed a way of doing the double spey without water?
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Post by Willie Gunn on Jan 3, 2008 20:17:44 GMT
Malcolm, I was thinking of lowish water conditions when you can overhead cast from the bank without getting in the water. I've also heard this is the preferred casting method on smaller rivers like the Thurso. That is the trouble of visiting other forums where the authors talk out the wrong end of their digestive systems. Have you developed a way of doing the double spey without water? Yes it's called the single spey, I single off both shoulders.
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Post by severnfisher on Jan 3, 2008 21:46:22 GMT
Have you developed a way of doing the double spey without water? Yes it's called the single spey, I single off both shoulders. What do you do in a gusty downstreamer but when the double spey would still make too much disturbance? Surely not one of those fancy casts like the snake roll? .
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Post by Willie Gunn on Jan 3, 2008 22:14:31 GMT
No still a single but I move the anchor point, how do you overhead cast in those conditions? A full face motorcycle helmet must come into the explanation.
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Post by severnfisher on Jan 3, 2008 22:20:59 GMT
I do the snake roll less messing about.
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Post by John Gray on Jan 3, 2008 22:21:06 GMT
..... how do you overhead cast in those conditions? A full face motorcycle helmet must come into the explanation. Would a simple overhead cast over the downstream shoulder not suffice?
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Post by Willie Gunn on Jan 3, 2008 22:24:38 GMT
..... how do you overhead cast in those conditions? A full face motorcycle helmet must come into the explanation. Would a simple overhead cast over the downstream shoulder not suffice? John it might if you did not require an angle change assuming of course people can overhead of both shoulders.
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Post by John Gray on Jan 3, 2008 22:28:10 GMT
Would a simple overhead cast over the downstream shoulder not suffice? John it might if you did not require an angle change assuming of course people can overhead of both shoulders. Yes, Malcolm. I, like you, am a thrawn bugger and tend to persist with the single Spey.... regardless of conditions!
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Post by conwyrod on Jan 3, 2008 22:33:41 GMT
Sowhat would you both do if you were standing under a tree branch which prevented a single spey cast? Right bank, strong upstream wind, and a big fish jumping opposite you - spinning rods not allowed ;D.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Jan 3, 2008 22:33:58 GMT
Yes, Malcolm. I, like you, Oh John hugs and kisses all round.
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