robbie
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Post by robbie on Sept 28, 2007 17:05:24 GMT
POLL:
Is Spinning the work of the Devil ? or a Godsend for those impossible days?
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Post by tweedsider on Sept 28, 2007 18:15:42 GMT
Never been so desperate to catch a migratory fish as feel the need to spin, its that funny bit of bent wire birling in front of the reel that is off putting. Having said that I am not booking days on ultra expensive beats where on arriving to find high water spinning might be the only way to obtain the desired result. Al long as my club stays fly only the private beats can do as they must.
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Post by salmonking on Sept 28, 2007 18:57:10 GMT
The work of LUCIFER,,,,,,,,i caught my first on a spinner,,,,when i was a bairn,,,,anyone can do it,,,not much skill needed,,i turn my nose up at spinning,,but each to there own,,all you cutlery chucker#s ,,please dont be angry
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Post by fruity on Sept 28, 2007 19:44:46 GMT
You don't necessarily need much effort to catch with the fly either, using a floating line you can keep the rod still and just let the fly come across the current.
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Post by speyghillie on Sept 28, 2007 20:50:27 GMT
Not for me I'm afraid.
I did plenty in my early years when I was desperate but have thankfully grown out of that stage. Each to their own though and if it's the only way that some people are able to fish then if the water is high enough - let em spin.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Sept 28, 2007 22:06:32 GMT
What?
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robbie
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Post by robbie on Sept 29, 2007 0:32:42 GMT
Dear WG,
There is no charge for the number of words used in a post,, is it a new game? I will try to guess the meaning of "What?" and suggest it is a case of Mr Gunn using the last 100 button on his screen which will not open an attached poll. I am probably wrong, it is probably a game.
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Post by stuart on Sept 29, 2007 5:30:06 GMT
I will fish the fly first every time but might be tempted if the conditions are poor for the fly. I think I have used the spinning rod once this year and all the fish I have caught have been on the fly.
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Post by salmo on Sept 29, 2007 7:50:58 GMT
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Post by fruity on Sept 29, 2007 8:51:32 GMT
I am surprised someone didn't pick up on the words...
"if the water is high enough - let em spin"
... to then joke that the correct water height for spinners is when it is just above head height!
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robbie
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Post by robbie on Sept 29, 2007 9:09:58 GMT
Salmonut, Was it you who made those fabulous Devons and "Cs" on the other forum?
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fruity
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Post by fruity on Sept 29, 2007 9:11:09 GMT
On a more serious note, when the water volume is great and the water visibility is reduced it is often the case that fly fishing is difficult or impossible, other factors such as peat, wind or cold may shy the most eager fly fisherman. A spinner will often have a chance on those and other occasions and I don't see anything wrong with this as long as like any method, it is not abused, because the purpose of going sport fishing can not be to kill as many fish as possible. Many stretches of river can't be accessed or fished by the fly fisherman, and while an argument could be made that anglers could fish a bit of it using a fly with a spinning rod, much can only be fished with spinner or bait.
If people find the method fun, it is sporting, requires skill, does not disturb fish or fishermen, and is not abused, then I don't have a problem with spinning or other method.
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Post by castelforte on Sept 29, 2007 9:21:10 GMT
I voted (Only Spin when fly is impossible) However, I meant that I will use a spinning rod or trotting set up when the use of fly rod and line are impossible. This can occur on very wide rivers with cliffs behind or very fast flows where the even the fastest sinking line has a hard job getting down. In the latter I would always attempt with an S4 and brass bottle tube. If this does not work, the spinning rod, with monofil and a heavy weight, can very very effective at getting a tube fly down to the fish. Here's a situation where I want to put the fly straight up towards the white water to cover a deep eddy in the middle. There's no standing room upstream just a perilous cliff. I use a small alaskan spinning/bait rod - Lamiglas Kenai Guide 9ft - ABU 6500 - 24lb line - various weights depending on flow - and something like this on the end. When the water is lower I use either shooting head S3/S4 or Wet Cel 1 with 10ft Airflow Salmon Poly leader Xsuperfast sinking from the other side as well. When it is very low the pool is fine with a variety of sinking lines in the middle and full floaters at the sides, where the depth is 2ft or so. CF
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Post by fruity on Sept 29, 2007 9:58:16 GMT
An amazingly interesting pool, and a good looking fly. I use simple plastic tube flies with a spinning rod and ensure hair is sprayed out to ensure a good action in the water. Although I generally use a barrel lead weight on the main line, or ball on a drop link, I have never been satisfied with the weights. It is amazing how you can have a two ounce weight on the end of mono/spinning rod set up and are still unable to get down to the fish in some currents.
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robbie
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Post by robbie on Sept 29, 2007 20:04:22 GMT
Very generous donation you made to Tay survey fund, Good job. ATB Robbie
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Post by Tyne Angler on Oct 3, 2007 11:45:07 GMT
One for the spinners out there,
A friend of mine was complaining the other day about how all his shop bought Flying C's fail to start spinning the moment they hit the water which means in a strong current they have drifted past the intended target area before they are working fully.
Does anyone know a way of getting them working instantly?
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 11:54:45 GMT
I've had the same trouble, many shop bought ones are rubbish. The technical aspects of all this were explained to me but I've somehow forgotten it all.
If you are the chap who recently sent me a PM on another forum re T from the Tyne, then contact him as his spin without fail and catch fish like nothing else.
(Sorry, have been asked to remove picture)
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 12:47:57 GMT
The actual cause of most of these problems is down to the blade catching the body, either because the teardrop/beads between the body and clevis cause the blade to stick out at too low an angle to the body, or the clevis is too big, etc. Move away from the normal french blades and you move into dodgy territory. A small bead is required on each side of the clevis to ensure it can spin freely.
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fruity
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Post by fruity on Oct 3, 2007 14:52:31 GMT
Dear salmonnut
The person who made/designed that lure, gave me this information after taking the trouble of learning the technical side from a man who designs "Mepps" lures, the issues involved are not as straight forward as anyone would think, and multiply when you move to smaller blades etc. His lure blades spin and keep the lure at a good angle in even very slow water.
I have no doubt that the clevis size, design and shape have an effect, like all parts, but switch to different size blades and weights/body shapes and you are bound to change the dynamics.
I am glad you have successful lures and wish you the best, suggest you try one with a long tail.
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Post by Tyne Andrew on Oct 3, 2007 15:03:52 GMT
Is the long tail on the flying rubber Johnny supposed to represent the long tailed north Atlantic squid in the juvenile stages of its life?
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