conwyrod
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Post by conwyrod on Feb 15, 2009 17:44:37 GMT
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Post by sinkingtip on Feb 15, 2009 18:38:32 GMT
The "Wombat Cast" looked eventful.
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conwyrod
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Post by conwyrod on Feb 15, 2009 19:22:36 GMT
Andy, the ultimate put down by a gillie in 2009 should be "stop casting like a wombat". ;D
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dunkeld
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Post by dunkeld on Feb 16, 2009 11:33:00 GMT
Or "where did you learn to cast like that? " Makes you think at least
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Speyducer
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Post by Speyducer on Feb 16, 2009 12:02:44 GMT
Apart from the demo'd "Double Spey", all these casts are 'Skagit' casts, and done with a Skagit line - which is a very short and relatively heavy 'shooting' head type line - virtually all the head weight is within about 27-29 feet of the head.
Like most shooting head casts, they are rather clunky/splashy, but most especially in the set-up.
However, I'm not convinced it makes a hap'orth of difference to the fish, as, the splash-down of the set-up, and 'ripping water mouse' effects all happens around 1 to 1.5 rod-lengths from the caster, and that is water that you won't be fishing.
In a mirror flat pool, with slow/almost no flow, & at night for seatrout, I can understand that surface water disturbance may be a problem in possibly spooking fish, but Skagit lines & skagit casts are not really suited to such fishing situations.
I find it rather peculiar that such a method has fun poked at it for being splashy/clunky and with a super-fat and short shooting head, as it's a most effective method for many of our usual salmon fishing situations. That it was developed in the PNW of North America should have nothing to do with it.
In terms of water & riverbed disturbance with casting, wading, use of a wading stick, I find it equally bizarre that our North American fishing cousins have no issues with pontoons floating through pools, jet-boats chugging or even racing through pools, and these splashy/clunky Skagitty lines & casts - they still cast steelhead & pacific salmon often within minutes of what some here would term 'major water disturbance'.
Are steelhead & pacific salmon that different in their response to such water disturbances compared to Atlantic salmon??
Just shooting it out there.......
Mike
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Post by salmonking on Feb 16, 2009 12:12:35 GMT
Kevin..the guy in the video..is a superb caster....i'd only think this demo is for show..had he been actually fishing i very much doubt he'd cast this way unless he would get away with it....as for these kind of casts..i'd certainly never employ them...simple single or double spey of either shoulder does me fine...modern speycasting...nah...give me the conventional way any day...and a few fish on the bank...
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djb
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Post by djb on Feb 16, 2009 12:20:21 GMT
Fish near Grandtully and the dozens of white water rafters will put the fish down for you without you having to cast... Not sure how fishable these beats are now?
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Post by G Ritchie on Feb 16, 2009 18:53:10 GMT
Certainly from my experience with fishing for Pacific salmon, they seem to be much more difficult to disturb than Atlantic salmon, you could catch them virtually under your rod tip while watching it all happen in the clear water.
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conwyrod
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Post by conwyrod on Feb 16, 2009 19:36:28 GMT
Certainly from my experience with fishing for Pacific salmon, they seem to be much more difficult to disturb than Atlantic salmon, you could catch them virtually under your rod tip while watching it all happen in the clear water. Sounds like grayling fishing on the Welsh Dee.
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fenton
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Post by fenton on Feb 19, 2009 21:52:44 GMT
Kevin..the guy in the video..is a superb caster....i'd only think this demo is for show..had he been actually fishing i very much doubt he'd cast this way unless he would get away with it....as for these kind of casts..i'd certainly never employ them...simple single or double spey of either shoulder does me fine...modern speycasting...nah...give me the conventional way any day...and a few fish on the bank... Would you like to outline the differences please between conventional and modern speycasting ? Cheers F
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Post by sinkingtip on Feb 19, 2009 23:02:14 GMT
Kevin..the guy in the video..is a superb caster....i'd only think this demo is for show..had he been actually fishing i very much doubt he'd cast this way unless he would get away with it....as for these kind of casts..i'd certainly never employ them...simple single or double spey of either shoulder does me fine...modern speycasting...nah...give me the conventional way any day...and a few fish on the bank... Would you like to outline the differences please between conventional and modern speycasting ? Cheers F He's in Cuba just now. Send him a text !! ;D
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