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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 31, 2007 9:08:11 GMT
No not a biblical thing just salmon forums, Springer world is re-uniting. Now where was the post where it was said it would never happen.
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Speyducer
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 31, 2007 9:24:57 GMT
Perhaps worried about being nuked by proboards! Slimming down to one proboard forum makes administration easier....one only has to have one finger over 'D' button.
Mike
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 31, 2007 9:45:09 GMT
Perhaps worried about being nuked by proboards! Slimming down to one proboard forum makes administration easier....one only has to have one finger over 'D' button. Mike Or even slimming down to a NON Proboard forum.
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Post by fruity on Oct 31, 2007 10:02:38 GMT
From what I had heard, things were being pushed. If something didn't happen then certain boards would be removed.
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Post by sinkingtip on Oct 31, 2007 15:11:16 GMT
Speaking purely as a member of this forum and not in an 'advisory' capacity I suspected this merger would eventually happen as I am sure others did. As a member of both the SFF and ASF I received an e-mail from Alan M. informing the greater membership of the intention to create a new board outwith the control of Proboards etc etc. Alan's reasons were perfectly valid, coherent, sensible and in keeping with a 'masterplan' and to the greater good of all - and why not ?.
I for one wish him / them well but, for info, do not intend to register (too auld - dinna hae the time - got enough on ma plate here ...... never been a fan of spreading anything too thinly - happy to concentrate my energies on this forum ..... until I get 'bagged'.
I received a phone call this morning from a well respected member of this forum who informed me of the above development but seemed a little concerned in a David and Goliath kind of way. Discussions ensued and my initial gut reaction was ........
That I would be happier to be a member of a smaller rather then a laaaaaaaaaarger forum - 500 active members who take responsibility for input and contribute generally is a good size IMO - c'mon ! - how BIG does it NEED to be?. NOT that I am advocating an upper limit ? - a good geographical spread and diversity of knowledge / experience - people come / people go - opinions vary from time to time (fair enough) - bit of harmless controversy every so often - contacts made - telephone numbers exchanged - a bit of organic networking - novice friendly - free exchange of information - on occasions friendships are formed and we go fishing FF's sake !! ....the list can go on.
Analogies have been made in the past that fora such as these are similar to a bunch of like minded but healthily opinionated guy's "meeting down the pub" - and I agree. For me that "pub" is of the 'global village' persuasion where the landlord is a bit quirky and you witness scenes such as WRI members (the rural) playing backgammon and 'bones' wi hairy ersed bikers (saw that a guid few years ago in the Tayside Hotel, Stanley) ...... where the juke box is as likely to have Handels Water Music as it is to have the Stones. Beer and skittles. Sushi or a bridie. Black and white ....... puddin's.
Never been a fan of 'chain' boozers. Small is beautiful ....... but thats just my opinion. Regards to all. STip
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Post by fruity on Oct 31, 2007 15:49:19 GMT
Small?
This forum has more active users and weekly posts than any other salmon forum. Look at other forums and you will see the majority of their membership are people who supposedly exist and have registered but never actually post...many never log in...strange. The fundamentals underpinning this forum are the same as any other forum.
Members of sufficient experience and knowledge contributing posts of quality will ensure this forum will remain the most informative, interesting and successful.
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Post by robbie on Oct 31, 2007 16:07:14 GMT
I too wish the new forum well and am looking forward to some peacefull and who knows, one day, a complimentary co- existance ATB Robbie
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Post by sinkingtip on Oct 31, 2007 16:49:12 GMT
Small? This forum has more active users and weekly posts than any other salmon forum. Look at other forums and you will see the majority of their membership are people who supposedly exist and have registered but never actually post...many never log in...strange. The fundamentals underpinning this forum are the same as any other forum. Members of sufficient experience and knowledge contributing posts of quality will ensure this forum will remain the most informative, interesting and successful. Absolutely fruity ! - the red stuff is verging on as close to a 'mission statement' as one would need - excellent work as always. regards STip
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Post by conwyrod on Oct 31, 2007 18:47:08 GMT
That I would be happier to be a member of a smaller rather then a laaaaaaaaaarger forum - 500 active members who take responsibility for input and contribute generally is a good size IMO - c'mon ! - how BIG does it NEED to be?. NOT that I am advocating an upper limit ? - a good geographical spread and diversity of knowledge / experience - people come / people go - opinions vary from time to time (fair enough) - bit of harmless controversy every so often - contacts made - telephone numbers exchanged - a bit of organic networking - novice friendly - free exchange of information - on occasions friendships are formed and we go fishing FF's sake !! ....the list can go on. Analogies have been made in the past that fora such as these are similar to a bunch of like minded but healthily opinionated guy's "meeting down the pub" - and I agree. For me that "pub" is of the 'global village' persuasion where the landlord is a bit quirky and you witness scenes such as WRI members (the rural) playing backgammon and 'bones' wi hairy ersed bikers (saw that a guid few years ago in the Tayside Hotel, Stanley) ...... where the juke box is as likely to have Handels Water Music as it is to have the Stones. Beer and skittles. Sushi or a bridie. Black and white ....... puddin's. Never been a fan of 'chain' boozers. Small is beautiful ....... but thats just my opinion. Regards to all. STip I agree with you entirely STip. I thought the old SFF started to have problems last spring, when number grew very quickly. It became difficult to keep up with the ever changing threads and some of the new members were troublemakers. It all became very impersonal. We need sufficient knowledgeable anglers to make things interesting, and new blood will always be welcome, but there's no need to grow big just for the sake of being big.
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Post by salmonking on Oct 31, 2007 19:07:04 GMT
Agreed,,,,too many members with little to say i can do without, i see many here became members and post nothing,,THE POINT BEING??on this board you do NOT need to register to have a look personally all that have joined and posted zilch,,,should be zapped,,that doesn't stop them from looking,,,numbers don't necessary make things better,,,id rather have a board where all contribute,,good luck to the merger.
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Post by annanangler on Oct 31, 2007 19:14:18 GMT
Zap! Zap! Zap! your starting to sound like S............r Col ;D ;D ;D
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Post by hornet on Oct 31, 2007 22:35:32 GMT
Stp,
Your a wise min.
Hornet
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Post by John Gray on Oct 31, 2007 23:55:56 GMT
Agreed,,,,too many members with little to say i can do without, i see many here became members and post nothing,,THE POINT BEING??on this board you do NOT need to register to have a look personally all that have joined and posted zilch,,,should be zapped,,that doesn't stop them from looking,,,numbers don't necessary make things better,,,id rather have a board where all contribute,,good luck to the merger. Nothing wrong with members who come to simply read the forums. The more the merrier I say. I certainly would hate to see a rule saying that all members had to make a post per week, or month, or even per year. That would certainly guarantee a lot of useless forum content ..... and a very small membership. What I would suggest is that you contribute in any way you want .... and let others do the same. That is the way to a successful forum. I would disagree strongly with the view that knowledgeable members with experience are more valuable than those without. All members should be equal, regardless of knowledge, experience, ability or educational qualifications. This is a public forum, not an intellectual think tank!
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 1, 2007 0:38:36 GMT
Agreed,,,,too many members with little to say i can do without, i see many here became members and post nothing,,THE POINT BEING??on this board you do NOT need to register to have a look personally all that have joined and posted zilch,,,should be zapped,,that doesn't stop them from looking,,,numbers don't necessary make things better,,,id rather have a board where all contribute,,good luck to the merger. Nothing wrong with members who come to simply read the forums. The more the merrier I say. I certainly would hate to see a rule saying that all members had to make a post per week, or month, or even per year. That would certainly guarantee a lot of useless forum content ..... and a very small membership. What I would suggest is that you contribute in any way you want .... and let others do the same. That is the way to a successful forum. I would disagree strongly with the view that knowledgeable members with experience are more valuable than those without. All members should be equal, regardless of knowledge, experience, ability or educational qualifications. This is a public forum, not an intellectual think tank! Much the same as a public transport system then... the passengers are just as important as the driver in acheiving the destination Mike
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Post by John Gray on Nov 1, 2007 0:41:24 GMT
Nothing wrong with members who come to simply read the forums. The more the merrier I say. I certainly would hate to see a rule saying that all members had to make a post per week, or month, or even per year. That would certainly guarantee a lot of useless forum content ..... and a very small membership. What I would suggest is that you contribute in any way you want .... and let others do the same. That is the way to a successful forum. I would disagree strongly with the view that knowledgeable members with experience are more valuable than those without. All members should be equal, regardless of knowledge, experience, ability or educational qualifications. This is a public forum, not an intellectual think tank! Much the same as a public transport system then... the passengers are just as important as the driver in acheiving the destination Mike I don't understand your point but it might be worth remembering that, without passengers, there would be no need for a driver ..... or even a train! Surely the passengers are the whole point of the exercise. To carry your tenuous analogy to its logical conclusion, if this forum is the train, then Salmo is the driver. The rest of us are all very important passengers .... VIPs even!
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Post by fruity on Nov 1, 2007 10:47:56 GMT
While I don't agree that someone should be forced to post, even if only once per year, in my mind it brings up the question of why wouldn't someone wish to join the forum or post.
Since someone looks through the forum I automatically understand such an action to mean that they are at least partially interested in a forum. If they have experience or knowledge to share then why wouldn't they post? Alternatively, if they are inexperienced and wish advice then why not ask on the forum?
Recently, when there was a highly charged exchange of communications there were a lot of people online. Is it that people like a highly charged atmosphere? To take that line onto a constructive level, do people wish to see on-line debates...In which case should we have on-line debate in which a team of two or three people could defend one fishing opinion against another team? I realise this is a little like back to school stuff….debates on subjects for the purposes of exploring a subject...even though you don't necessarily agree or have an opinion or view on them.
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Post by sinkingtip on Nov 1, 2007 13:40:25 GMT
No, I don't think it is like "back to school stuff at all fruity. An excellent idea. I think constructive debate is something to value, encourage at all levels and is the very lifeblood of fora such as these. The idea of a team working or a "This house believes...." format sounds interesting but would rely on 2/3 people selecting either a "for" or "against" motion, doing a bit collective preparation (PM's ?) and presenting their case. Perhaps we should ALL think about a list of emotive suggestions / topics where we "unfurl the flag and see who salutes it" ....sort of thing. As an example ...... Worm fishing should be banned (or not) - discuss. Tipping ghillie's (strong sense of deja vu here guy's ). Is spinning less skillful than fly fishing ?. Does shrimp fishing "scare the fush" ? The reasons and preferences for LH or RH wind (regardless of what 'handed' you are). Sunday Fishing (there's that DJV feeling again ). To kill or not to kill - and if so for what reasons ?. Talking about fish here gentlemen - not fellow fishers. Hardy make better rods than B&W (or whatever !). Hogging a pool - "paid my money - entitled to take as long as I wish" - discuss. .....etc etc etc - I am sure we all get the picture. Lets see a list (in the meantime) of topics that members feel worthy of discussion and we can take it from there. Fruity - as the originator of this idea perhaps you can flesh out the format once, hopefully, the suggestions start to roll in. Best regards STip
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Post by charlieH on Nov 1, 2007 14:12:34 GMT
Perhaps we should ALL think about a list of emotive suggestions / topics where we "unfurl the flag and see who salutes it" ....sort of thing. OK then, how about: 1. Should fishing rights be in private hands? 2. Do people get taken up with a desire to cast long distances, at the expense of effective fishing? 3. What constitutes fly fishing? 4. Should forums be moderated over and above the barest minimum required by the laws of the land/rules of the hosting company?
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 1, 2007 14:47:54 GMT
Perhaps we should ALL think about a list of emotive suggestions / topics where we "unfurl the flag and see who salutes it" ....sort of thing. OK then, how about: 1. Should fishing rights be in private hands? 2. Do people get taken up with a desire to cast long distances, at the expense of effective fishing? 3. What constitutes fly fishing? 4. Should forums be moderated over and above the barest minimum required by the laws of the land/rules of the hosting company? ALL good topics, charlie, perhaps you would wish to start off on your favoured one of the 4? I could lead in with another, also. Mike
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Post by Willie Gunn on Nov 1, 2007 15:07:50 GMT
Perhaps we should ALL think about a list of emotive suggestions / topics where we "unfurl the flag and see who salutes it" ....sort of thing. OK then, how about: 1. Should fishing rights be in private hands? John Gray and I could argue this with our eyes closed and our keyboards blanked out, we have done it most close seasons since Adam discovered God had banned him from Eden. ( Not the beat on the Deveron or even the English river) But for a commie he ties a nice fly.
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