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Post by tweedbunnet on Sept 4, 2012 5:03:42 GMT
Most of us would, I trust, agree that in the interests of conservation of fish, C&R seems to be a very positive step forward on rivers which have a scarcity of stock (ie most of them).
There also seems to be general agreement that it is better to curtail the "fight" into as short a time span as possible to avoid placing undue stress etc on the fish when playing it - one method being to fish with a higher Breaking Strain of leader than previously.
As regards the hooks of flies and spinners, you can go single, double and treble and well as Barbed or Barbless/de-Barbed. In many Beats, the style of hook is imposed on you by others.
I would not say I am a huge fan of Single Hooks on Spinners, especially wee Mepps etc and to put a Single Hook on, say a Toby Salmo seems absurd but I do like fly fishing with smaller singles up to size 6 approx as well as on Tube flies.
What I don't like is that all ED Trebles are banned, even if de-barbed, e.g The Dee rules
My point here is:
which is better for the aims of C&R?
A Barbless Treble or;
A Barbed Double or Single
Anyone care to share their experience/views on this?
tb
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dunkeld
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Post by dunkeld on Sept 4, 2012 6:44:18 GMT
They are all capable of deep hooking one way or another IMHO.
If one looks at the single hook, it does have the opportunity to dig deep, resulting in a bigger tear to the fishs mouth.
A treble would, in large sizes likely to hook upper and lower jaw, resulting in reduced oxygen intake to the fish and a more lengthy duration of getting the hooks out. If a treble is to be used, it should be scaled down in size to reduce that issue.
A double hook IMHO, is the better of the three and I tend to stick mainly with doubles and so far have had little major issues with deeply hooked or hooking up.
Just my thoughts and Im sure others will have a different outlook to mine.
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Post by devronmac on Sept 4, 2012 15:07:57 GMT
I'll go with Dunkeld on this one. Barbed doubles are absolutely fine. I haven't had to kill a fish from deep hooking using these for many years !
I used debarbed hooks in Canada two years ago and lost nearly every fish I hooked on them.
I still have some barbed trebles in my box but seldom use them preferring the doubles now.
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Post by tweedbunnet on Sept 4, 2012 17:48:48 GMT
There's no hidden agenda in my post - it is just I find a lot of opinions as opposed to actual evidence on the matter. And the people whose opinions I respect most are those who are out and about doing the actual fishing and catching like you guys.
My own experience, for what it is worth, is that I have not yet had any major issues releasing Salmon from an 18 or 30g Toby with a Size 2 Treble. However, I have had a real struggle getting a size 12 barbed treble out of a grilse and a Salmon in recent years while no real issues with removing a Size 4 treble on a big Tube from Kelts. Like Kenny, I am a bit wary of big Singles as I believe they can cause issues with hole getting bigger and bigger as fight progresses
For what it's worth, my club water has banned Trebles and some members are pushing very hard for barbless singles for all forms of fishing including Salmon, Sea Trout and Trout. I can accept this for Trout but it does make Salmon and Sea Trout Fishing have a slimmer chance of landing fish; according to the records of one of my fellow members who uses a Mepp with a Single Barbless Hook - 1 out of 5 fish landed approx ratio over the season. He is a good, experienced angler by the way.
Anyone else have views on the topic raised?
tb
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