fruity
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Post by fruity on Nov 3, 2007 22:38:32 GMT
When I think about the influence these forums have had upon my fishing and think about the next season, I think of a few new flies, trying Salar hooks again, getting another rod I don't need in the form of a Meiser, possibly getting a 18ft Norway for the spring, a couple of fly lines....all fishing tackle.
What about new tactics, anyone got any advice on unconventional or uncommon tactics for the Spring?
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 11:38:18 GMT
The influence on me has been to concentrate my efforts in keeping good records, and passing whatever knowledge I have in the art of fishing to others - pay something back, and pass the passion on
Mike
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Post by salmo on Nov 4, 2007 12:22:08 GMT
QnQ,
The kelts story is great but I am not sure if this is influenced by salmon forums. They seem to snap at a lot of things as they are on the way slowly back to sea. Is it the feeding instinct coming back along with other chemical changes?
It would be interesting to hear about any other so called summer flies are good in the spring for fresh salmon as well as kelts.
I fish the Dee throughout the season and it is surprising what a variety of tricks there are out there. The collie dog has often been used at various times in low water particularly in summer. One ghillie on Deecastle recommends stripping them fast through the deep pools, and I know another fisher who regularly catches fish on the collie in fast water in spring when the fish are apparently moving quite quickly through the beat.
It just goes to show that it is worth keeping an open mind in all things salmon.
salmo
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Post by hornet on Nov 4, 2007 12:27:25 GMT
Certainly where to fish and where not too.
My invite from a certain beat on the Dee has gone straight into the shredder and i will be going elsewhere on the Dee. I will not be recommending this beat to anybody.
Also i will be fishing my usual beats coupled with certain new ones that have been viewed and talked about on this forum. I will be fishing a new one on the Tay and not returning to others.
So where i will be fishing is my biggest influence.
Mikes posts on fly tying has got me interested and i will probably be having a go over the winter.
His posts on the Kola have also been excellent and have driven me mad with trying to come up with a cunning plan in how to convince the missus that I NEED TO GO ;D.
Hornet
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Post by fruity on Nov 4, 2007 12:52:36 GMT
dear young fruity. (fruity under 40 is young :-) Thanks, but I wasn't very accurate with my mouse on registration. Kelts are often taken higher in the water than Spring fish, also on smaller flies. Unless I knew the lies and water volume were correct for Spring fish, I'd be concerned about catching too many Kelts and at least change location/tactics/depth/speed & size of lure.
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Post by salmo on Nov 4, 2007 12:55:08 GMT
What about new tactics, anyone got any advice on unconventional or uncommon tactics for the Spring? Salmo it wasn't influenced by forums however it may influence others reading the forum :-) and it also answered the quote from dear young fruity. (fruity under 40 is young :-) ) I was certainly influnced by Mike and others to tie tube flies with double hooks for next year. I always avoided tubes and used waddies when required which was very rare. QNQ, I knew what you meant. I should have put a smiley in. One thing I have found tremendously influential about these fishing fora is that you get some feedback from people who have had success while experimenting. It gives you that extra idea or option to try yourself when the fishing is slow. As speyducer said it is great that people can pass on their tricks to help others succeed. salmo
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Post by John Gray on Nov 4, 2007 13:43:28 GMT
I got a salmon the other day, from the Allan, on one of these, fished on a single handed fly rod and intermediate line: The advantage of such a lure is that it can be fished at some depth, even from a floating line, and is quite lively even in a slowish current.
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 13:47:17 GMT
Looks like a bit of physical lump to cast on a SH'er, but also probably light, in the same vein as a Kynoch lure used on the Tay.
A 'plug' to all intents & purposes, and if the regulations allow, why not?
Great to see you have some sport on it.
Had the barbs been flattened for easy removal of the treble?
Mike
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Post by John Gray on Nov 4, 2007 13:54:24 GMT
Looks like a bit of physical lump to cast on a SH'er, but also probably light, in the same vein as a Kynoch lure used on the Tay. A 'plug' to all intents & purposes, and if the regulations allow, why not? Great to see you have some sport on it. Had the barbs been flattened for easy removal of the treble? Mike Yes, it was not really intended for the single hander. It is, however, easily cast on a double hander. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I had not flattened the hook barbs. Having said that, the belief that barbless hooks do less harm than barbed hooks is not unanimously held among fishermen. In any case, I am pleased to report that the fish was safely returned unharmed.
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Post by salmo on Nov 4, 2007 13:57:40 GMT
I crimp my barbs down slightly but not completely flat. They are very easy to remove but do not seem to come out quite so easily as barbless when the fish runs fast towards you.
It sort of gives you the best of both worlds.
salmo.
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Post by Silver Stoat on Nov 5, 2007 11:45:47 GMT
While we are on the subject, I too have yet to be totally convinced that barbless hooks offer as big an advantage as we are told they do. I can see that it may help less experienced anglers to return fish more quickly, and publicising the use of barbless will help to underscore the necessity of doing so, but a barbed hook can be removed very easily and quickly with the correct equipment - pliers or forceps.
As I have said elsewhere, the brood stock for our smolt rearing scheme are all rod caught - most are caught by the person operating the scheme and I know that he only uses barbed hooks. He is very experienced in fish husbandry and takes meticulous care of his charges yet continues to use barbed hooks.
These fish, a mixture of Seatrout and Salmon, are happily swimming around in the holding pool having been caught, unhooked and transported (usually in a large, tough plastic bag) and appear to be non the worse for having undergone this experience.
Dave.
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 5, 2007 12:10:56 GMT
Unfortunately, there is a substantial minority of fishermen who are not so efficient or careful in removing barbed hooks, and many don't take pliers or forceps to the riverbank, thus it must follow that some fish are put to additional stress, and are out of the water longer in the process of attempting to remove a barbed hook without the best equipment or method. That is the reason for the known increased mortality in fish caught on barbed hooks compared to barbless.
There is no question that if ever fishermen was brought up to the level of the best in terms of unhooking equipment & skills, there may only be a tiny if any difference between barbless and barbed hook use.
However, bringing everyone up to the level of the best is never going to happen; it hasn't worked for schools or hospitals, or anything I have every heard of, it's just politicians speak, and there is no reason to think that it could ever work for fishing skills.
Mike
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