I'd suggest you message all members asking them to vote. I remember reading about death rates in London due to lack of sanitation - and that three persons were listed one year as having died of "lethargy".
I voted 50% catch and release for the following reasons ;
Its a 66% improvement on the current voluntary situation. I feel the anti fishing lobby could really latch on to 100% catch and release. My view of salmon fishing includes catching and keeping some fresh fish as a food item, its integral to my enjoyment of the sport. Otherwise whats the point ? I don't fish enough to keep many fish at 50% catch and release. I entirely see the point in the case of fishers who may catch more in the year. I'd be more in favour of a per person per annum quota, with tags like in Canada. I guess I'd pay whatever it took to administer the scheme as a per fish charge - effectively a payment towards conservation. This would cap the snigglers to some extent also. How about the nets volunteering 50% catch and release. I feel that if I keep a fish I've put far more into the economy than I would if I bought one of these netted salmon. Ban worming, but not entirely spinning. My own C&R rate runs at about 25% in recent years, but thats not a large number of fish. In my opinion the nets will only be removed when they become unviable economically, there is a much bigger picture there than catch and release. Why does the crown need to continue reaping in money for netting ? Why, why why ? This is a fundamental problem. If anything netting should be administered by the Government, with a weighting on the varying economic value of fishing methods and conservation. The law needs to change. What about banning trebles.
Post by Alex Robertson on Nov 28, 2007 8:27:20 GMT
Have voted for a 80% c/r, I've so far never fished this river and think for a river of this size to have a 100% c/r, may be a bit extreme, but nevertheless some form of c/r has to be adopted for the sake of future stocks, no matter which river it may be, would the same system of c/r thats used on the spey, work here ?
Tweedcast, have to entirely agree with you on all your points except banning worm or any other method, as ive stated on here and other fora its not the hook that kills fish, its the mentality of the man holding the rod that could be the issue, although i do believe in useing the worm in cetain cirrcumstances, i am un comfortable with the guys who use it as the ONLY OPTION!!!, i know this goes against the "popular thought", by far the biggest % of fish i have seen caught on worm are NOT guthooked and are indeed scissor hooked and therefore are easily returned due to the relatively small single hook!!!, my own personal prefered method is fly!!! and have seen large numbers of fish caught on this method! and here we go!!! as ive stated on other fora, surely if we are trueley talking conservation then perhaps we should be looking at banning the fly!!! , just a thought
100% c&r is the only way forward for conservation the fish mongers will keep taking no matter what the consequences untill the river becomes unfishable when there complaining in 5-10 years time theres no fish left then the 100% c&r will make sense
The two best times to fish is when its rainin` and when it aint. Patrick F. McManus
I agree measures have to be taken on the Tay - and have been in recent years albeit a mixture of "recommendations" and / or self imposed restrictions as opposed to law - the 'red fellah' excepted. Most of the guy's I know and fish with / around are card carrying conservationists, nature lovers generally and fully aware of the need to employ sensible fishing practices for what is basically an endangered species - and have done so for many years as, I daresay, your fishing buddies have also done. None of them are fishmongers / greedy barstewards and never have been, all know HOW to play, land and return fish carefully, all know when to stop fishing and in what circumstances you should do so and just every so often the occasional fish (usually a grilse) is "chapped".
Carlsberg don't 'do' the ideal fishers but if they did ..........
In short - until the law's are changed we need to EDUCATE and use PEER PRESSURE on those around us who are new to this sport whilst trying to convince the habitual 'chappers' that after a lifetime of dedicated chapping maybe their palette would appreciate, or be better suited, to the occasional haddie supper instead.
Return ALL fish throughout the season except for a couple of wee fresh grilse (max) for the table.
I voted 80% - partial to a wee cock grilse, chips and beans (alfresco) of a summers eve - but cant remember the last time I did this. your aye Stip
Last Edit: Nov 28, 2007 14:38:18 GMT by sinkingtip
Figures from 1994 for the Big Four only will be fine.
If the figures are very variable from year to year, a five-year rolling average will iron them out.
I think that will be all for now.
If I think of anything else I will get back to you!
Please see below the email I have sent today to the Fisheries bods @ marlab, the company charged with dealing with the stats for the Scottish Salmon & seatrout catches, as it would appear very difficult to indentify the stats for the years 1994 to 2005, although the stats for 2006 are very good.
Hopefully they can enlighten me, and I can do the number crunching and disseminate the relevant info for the major Scottish rivers.
copy email =
"Dear Mr Fryer,
I found the following link on the frs-scotland.gov.uk website:
I would be obliged if you could tell me where the same statistics are available for the years 1994 to 2005 (already have the 2006 stats, and the 2007 stats won't be available for some time).
I am particularly interested in the tables (given in the 2006 stats as tables 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5) and their equivalents for the years 1994 through to 2005.
I would be obliged if this data can be provided as either online webpages from your website, or on paper.
I see that the 2006 data (a government publication) is available for £2.00, so I may assume that the 1994 to 2005 data on paper would be the same cost per year.
Yours sincerely, "
"Be you most gentle with your fishing, and even gentler with those you are fortunate enough to capture, as, for a fleeting moment, you will be handling the future parent of the fish that you would wish to cast a fly at tomorrow..."
I have just voted for catch and release on your poll, but as I am currently running a campaign for the protection of Welsh fisheries I was reluctant to do so without asking the following question.
Is there a poaching problem on those great Scottish rivers?
Who is responsible for actually "policing" the waters?
I will be pleased to hear your comments.
Highplains - not sure that the poaching problem on the Tay is any worse than anywhere alse - Guay or STip may know more than me. I know there have been people fishing certain lower beats particularly nearer Perth on Sundays for example with SH rods claiming to be fishing for rainbows also the same since the season has stopped. There were some escapees in the river. I hear there are increasing problems with Eastern Europeans with some dodgy fishing again in and around the town area. I also walked out of a resaurant a month ago because the guy had bought 2 rod caught salmon (from a fishmonger !!??) one of which was clearly a kelt.
The Tay is policed by a team of Water Bailiffs who as far as I know work for the Tay District Salmon Fisheries Board.
Others can comment on the other rivers and the "special" techniques used by local anglers on the Tweed!
Be interesting to hear more from you on the Welsh issues once things have died down on the Tay thread - the AGM is next week hence the the amount of activity and related postings as concerned anglers are trying to get the Tay Board to sit up and take notice..
Thanks for that. I really am ignorant of the policing methods in Scotland.
The Campaign for the Protection of Welsh Fisheries is a thread on this and several other salmon and sea trout forums. I am sure some forum members are getting fed up of me and this particular "soap box", but I am passionate in my desire to see our rivers and more particularly the fish in them protected from illegal predation by humans. Our rivers are almost unprotected and the loss to poaching is, I believe, quite substantial. The thread gives all the details.
If you would like more detail please PM me your email address and I will send you details.
Highplains - just noticed that JSA mentioned that I might have some info on the level of poaching on the Tay. In a nutshell, the main stem of the Tay is too large to gas and too heavy to net without drawing a considerable amount attention to yourself. The only poaching that goes on is of the 'chancer' variety where 'troot' fishers hang back late of an evening, up their leader strength and stick on a wee stoats tail. Certainly since the introduction in the 80's of a Protection Order on the Tay the 'chancers' are easier to deal with (arguably) in terms of the law. Sure, it is fairly common on a couple of bits, as JSA has rightly stated, in or around Perth where some of the locals still view the taking of fish as part of their birth right - but what we are talking about here is mainly the 'tinky' fraternity. However, some of the Tay's tributaries were poached commercially and on a regular basis - particularly the Ericht and Isla but thankfully even this is less prevalent now than it was 10+ years ago. Don't want to elaborate any further for fear of this thread being 'hijacked'. If you want actual figures then contact Derek Gregor (head bailiff) on www.tdsfb.org who I am sure will be more than happy to furnish you further. Best regards STip
Last Edit: Nov 29, 2007 22:15:11 GMT by sinkingtip
A released hen fish would be worth a lot more than £50 to the river, I would have thought. Better to implement a more effective regime, reward those who return fish, and socially isolate those who continue to chap on a regular basis.
Highplains, I agree with you that poaching is a major problem on our welsh rivers,many of them would be regarded as burns in Scotland making them very vunerable in the more isolated areas making-it quite possible for large stretches to be completley cleared of salmon and sea trout,especially at this time of year. No C&R there!!!
You seem to be new to the forum so may not be aware of the Campaign for the Protection of Welsh Fisheries which is a single issue campaign aimed at getting the rivers properly protected from poaching by the reintroduction of an adequate bailiff force to the Environment Agency Wales.
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