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Post by lamson on Feb 20, 2008 19:01:29 GMT
I wonder if we could create a thread that would explain the differences (and similarities) of these?
If I remember correctly the formation of AAPGAI was meant to bring this area under one umbrella,not sure if this has happened,?
My distant recollection of the differences between the AAPGAI & GAIA syllabus' (salmon)is that the former focuses on casting but has a wider casting syllabus when the candidate gets beyond the provisional stage eg snap T's ,C's etc. GAIA focus on the core spey casts but also has a how to fish a line to it , rather than just cast it . Also, includes use of bait.
Comments and elaboration anyone?
Steve
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Post by speyghillie on Feb 20, 2008 19:50:38 GMT
Hi Steve, I'm sure our resident GAIC instructor will provide the information, but while we wait for WG here is a link which may be useful. You need to switch on the fine-meche-bullshit- filter as there is a wee bit of that but also some pretty vaild info too - happy reading. www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=16784
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Post by lamson on Feb 20, 2008 21:47:43 GMT
Good link SG, thanks. as always there's now't new . As you suggest,perhaps fails the plain English / succinctness test I was hoping for Steve
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Post by Willie Gunn on Feb 20, 2008 23:06:31 GMT
GAIA the facts regarding AAPGAI by Ian Moutter
As Chairman of GAIA I continue to be questioned regarding GAIA and AAPGAI. The following has been written to set the record straight
AAPGAI was formed in 2003 at the GAIA meeting at Caer Beris in Wales. It was formed for the specific purposes of those who held the APGAI qualification to come together socially and for skill development as a resource for GAIA, this all under the umbrella of GAIA. This is clear because it was myself who proposed and was responsible for the formation of AAPGAI.
It became clear very quickly that certain members of GAIA, who were also holders of the APGAI qualification were intent upon using the formation of AAPGAI to break away from the main organisation. Initially, these members attempted to force the thinking of a very few upon the majority, then they tried to gain control over the APGAI qualification. When these attempts proved futile and it was clear that GAIA was not willing, or indeed able to concede to their wishes, they effectively broke away and formed their own qualifications. Needless to say, in forming these new qualifications, they assessed each other to become qualified.
Some members of AAPGAI have attempted and continue to attempt to undermine GAIA and deliberately mislead people to this end. This has been done to build up AAPGAI at the expense of the main organisation, GAIA. GAIA's answer to this is, has been, to get on with the real work of promoting quality game angling instruction, developing the recognised qualifications GAIA and APGAI, both of which are wholly owned by GAIA and to look to the future of game angling instruction for all levels of recognised qualification.
As the professional body for game angling instructors in the UK, GAIA recognises that anyone has the right to form an association, when AAPGAI broke away from GAIA those involved were fully entitled to do so. It should be clear, however, that GAIA represents the vast majority of instructors in the UK and is the sole owner and administrator of the APGAI qualification. It is also the body recognised by the governing body and the Angling Development Board.
With a fast growing membership, currently around 400, GAIA is continuing to develop its qualifications in the areas of coaching, game angling instruction and casting skill development. As such it is unique and of vital importance to game angling instruction in the UK and beyond. It is comfortable in others pursuing their own agendas, as the management of AAPGAI have done, but it should be clear that, no matter what anyone may claim, the APGAI qualification has nothing whatsoever to do with AAPGAI and that AAPGAI is a trade organisation of casting instructors, that issues its own qualifications to its members.
The claim that AAPGAI was formed to represent the APGAI qualified instructors, is completely misleading, the majority of APGAI qualified instructors are members of GAIA. It is also clear that AAPGAI was originally formed to serve the ongoing requirements of GAIA and its members, no matter what may be claimed by a few who choose otherwise.
Finally to quote from the AAPGAI website - "The Game Angling instructors Association (GAIA) was formed in 1997 and this has become the umbrella organisation for all qualified game angling instructors".
(This is copied off the APGAI website)
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Post by mucklesalmon on Feb 20, 2008 23:21:57 GMT
Nice clear and concise. Thanks Malcolm. Ramsay
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Post by lamson on Feb 21, 2008 21:04:08 GMT
Nice clear and concise. Thanks Malcolm. Ramsay mm, but not much re syllabus, competencies etc ( see para 3 of thread start) Steve
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Post by Willie Gunn on Mar 7, 2008 20:29:09 GMT
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Post by lamson on Mar 8, 2008 9:53:26 GMT
Thanks Malcolm,
Reading the first 2 syllabi's suggests the main differences may well lie in the different writing styles.
The AAPGAI(provisional) syllabus is notable for defining objective achievements eg to be able to single spey cast 80' whereas the GAIA version uses more subjective language eg"good distance".
Importantly both seem to emphasise the ability to analyze and remedy faults to the same level of competence.
As mentioned earlier AAPGAI(provisional) very much focuses on casting whereas the GAIA includes general game fishing subjects eg Salmon life cycle and etiquette.
Surprised that neither include management of running line.
I suspect that the AAPGAI site is likely to be more attractive to the novice (it's a better advert). The reality of the situation is your probably better off picking the right man rather than the right "ticket".
Steve
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