Speyducer
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 9, 2008 9:40:51 GMT
With the increasing uptake of catch & release, and stricter limits on what fish may be taken home for the pot, in terms of size, sex, colour & time in the season, AND the availability of better hooks & improved fishing techniques & fish handling....
is it time for re-consideration of the use of spinning, worming & shrimping for salmon & seatrout in rivers / systems where these methods are banned or significantly restricted???
Mike
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hf
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Post by hf on Oct 9, 2008 11:13:15 GMT
speyducer... If we take worming for an example, it could introduce some more young folks to river fishing. It would be easier, I think, for a youngster to put out a worm and wait for a bite than to be casting out a fly with little to no chance of a fish. (bad enough for adults and am thinking association waters here) With greater prospects of a fish it may encourage them to persevere with fishing and then hopefully progress onto fly fishing as well.
It may also allow some more elderly folks to enjoy the sport of fishing but in an easier form for them.
Personally, I have never done worming before but because I have been told there is technique to it (probably with all fishing in fact) there are times when I think I would like to try. With that, there is also the benefit of being able to sit back a bit and relax and enjoy a chat when the line is in the water. (excuse ignorance if this is only wishful thinking)
The out shot of all this is that although it may be fun to try other methods, they would in no way replace my interest in fly fishing. Hopefully this would also be true of younger folks too as they grow into the pastime.
hf
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 9, 2008 12:48:13 GMT
I was, indeed, thinking along the lines of the youngsters & the non-so-youngsters, as well as those 'not-yet-converted' to the joys of fly fishing. The sport should be inclusive, and clearly, however certain rivers may be rearded as 'classic fly water' or whatever, there are clearly pools and other places where it is either difficult, impractical, or impossible to fly fish effectively. As in several systems, there are general guidelines, local rules & regulations & other advices on when it is permissable to use spinning tackle; there is certainly the possibility of introducing similar guidelines for the use of other methods (worm & shrimp), and with specifics laid down about hook size, barbs, use of floats, weights or whatever. Mike
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Post by salmonking on Oct 9, 2008 18:23:13 GMT
Well Mike you asked for controversial........i personally would take all spinning rods ,worming rods ,reels etc, and burn the bloody lot in a great big bonfire on guy Fawkes ;D.........there ye go.......
And I'm deadly serious.
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Speyducer
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 9, 2008 18:35:53 GMT
Well, Col, from one perspective, that is an 'inclusive' view; ie. you're including ALL non-fly fishing gear in the equation to be directed at the nearest re-cycling plant! I'm not sure that there would be many that agree with that measure, but we are all perfectly entitled to have & express our opinions & views on this & other matters. Couple that with more instruction at a junior /starter level, and some refresher courses for those who are no longer in the junior ranks, perhaps allowing some concessions for those who are simply learning (I'm sure most of us tend to do this anyway for the novices), and it could work. Got shares in a local carbon recycling plant?? ;D ;D atb Mike
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Post by tweed ghillie on Oct 9, 2008 18:42:02 GMT
Of course all the people who know SK in person had his tongue firmly embeded in his scissors when he penned his remarks. Although many anglers prefer to fish the fly, angling is angling fishing for fish whatever the method employed. Why restrict your armoury to the fly when you have other methods to achieve the same object. We know particulary this year that to fish the fly was nie impossible, without other methods fishing time would have been strictly curtailed. You have it Mike get some future sportsmen involved the kids love to dangle the odd worm.
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Post by salmonking on Oct 9, 2008 18:50:27 GMT
I was, indeed, thinking along the lines of the youngsters & the non-so-youngsters, as well as those 'not-yet-converted' to the joys of fly fishing. Seriously, on that subject,kids willing and wanting to learn the fly,should be taken to the local rainbow pond where they will learn the art and of course have more than a great chance to hook a fish. Surely this has to be more fun for kids compared with standing on the river bank,catching nothing but the trees behind. On our local there is a father and son ,they stand at the same pool every time they fish...don't move and spoil the fishing for guys who want to fish the pool properly.....the poor lad must be sick fed up same place ,same result every time,i wouldn't encourage youngsters to the river,it's the stockie ponds where they should be bled so to speak.
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Post by sinkingtip on Oct 9, 2008 19:48:37 GMT
is it time for re-consideration of the use of spinning, worming & shrimping for salmon & seatrout in rivers / systems where these methods are banned or significantly restricted??? There could be a few answers to this depending on what angle your particular 'spin' (no pun intended) is directed towards. Heres two from each camp. "YES" ! - in the interests of conservation believe it or not. Why ? - because it would lessen the amount of angling pressure placed on that most deadly of baits - the flee !! "YES" ! - it would allow for anglers of mixed ability a greater range of options in adverse conditions. .... alternatively ..... "NO" ! - because fly fishing for salmon is a truly artisan method steeped in history and tradition. The thought of catching such a noble beast via any other means could be deemed disrespectful to the quarry. "NO" ! - because if we wish to encourage 'new' fishers to this wonderful sport then surely the pleasure gained from putting out "a braw line" far outweighs the monotony of spinning. It has often been said that "if you are going to catch nothing, better to catch nothing on a flee". Theres my 1/11d worth. STip
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Post by sinkingtip on Oct 9, 2008 19:55:26 GMT
[i wouldn't encourage youngsters to the river,it's the stockie ponds where they should be bled so to speak. Must be a 'borders thing' that Col - up this way we are quite happy to bleed the bairns around flowing water - unless they have been really troublesome that is. In this case, I agree, a put and take fishery would be a better venue. yours oi STap
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Post by annanangler on Oct 9, 2008 23:10:56 GMT
Well Mike you asked for controversial........i personally would take all spinning rods ,worming rods ,reels etc, and burn the bloody lot in a great big bonfire on guy Fawkes ;D.........there ye go....... And I'm deadly serious. Col, I would say 90% of my fishing is done on the fly but I still like to drown the odd worm now and again , I can't be fecked with spinning! but if all methods are legal why not? Mike
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Post by salmonking on Oct 10, 2008 6:43:10 GMT
Mike ,fishing the worm is an exciting way to catch a fish ,it's the damage that can be done using the method,if a river system allows then by all means
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Post by annanangler on Oct 10, 2008 9:21:55 GMT
I know were you're coming from Col ....but don't you think it's more a case of some uneducated angler's causing the unnecessary damage rather than the method of fishing worm or spinner, ie fish single barbles hooks like they do in Canada/Alaska it doesn't seem to be a problem over there.
Mike
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Post by jackfish on Oct 10, 2008 13:29:03 GMT
Don't think there is anything wrong fishing worm or spinner, its definetly a good way to fish and very exciting at times, although not as exciting as the fly IMO, it's an easier way to introduce the kids to our great sport. There are always going to be the arguments by us, the older generation who some of are quite competent in throwing a line or trotting a worm etc but the youngsters have to enjoy what they are doing. But hey at the end of the day if its legal then it all comes down to what you the fisher prefers. "Choice" or freedom to choose is a great thing.... Just my tupence worth... B
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Post by osprey on Oct 10, 2008 15:50:02 GMT
Interesting thread. Unfortunately not all disabled people can cast a fly or wade. However, I would advocate fishing barbless hooks all year round and at this time of year would restrict wading to preserve any redds that may have been cut.
One thing I do find annoying though, is people that don't carry a priest as they think they won't need one with C & R. However, when it comes to killing a bleeder it can cause the fish unnecessary sufering while they find a stone or stick.
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Post by salmonking on Oct 10, 2008 16:15:27 GMT
Mike i agree wholeheartedly. Osprey,a very good point,i have seen this countless times and it really gets my goat,one of my freinds never carries a preist and i have told him countless times...it shows a total lack of respect for the fish.
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Post by tweedsider on Oct 10, 2008 19:32:33 GMT
As far as I am concerned I am more than happy that the Association of which I am priviledged to be a member operates a FLY ONLY policy. On small rivers , as SK has proven this summer salmon will take a fly even in coloured waters. In my opinion, and it is not a humble one, opening up worm fishing leads to the abuse of fish catchers crouched around pools, settled for the day with a bunch of garden flies and a lump of lead. Now I know there are skilled branches of worm fishing - in low water with light tackle, especially for brown trout and sea trout. But as I have said above this is open to abuse and in my opinion has no place in game angling in the 21st century. Perhaps I am predjudiced as on Tweed where I cut my angling teeth around Coldstream, brown trout angling in pre Association days was there for the asking. Every permit bore the legend ," with artificial fly only," a hard school to learn in but to need to learn the skills to capture trout on Tweed on fly will stand any game angler in good stead no matter where he fishes be it for trout sea trout or salmon. Roll on 5th November.
Tweedsider
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