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Post by iainjay on Apr 28, 2009 20:03:07 GMT
I recently bought a Montieth Multi-Tip and have a quick question.Do members find they have to position the line marker in a different position depending on what tip they have on, even adjusting if only using the 10' tips?
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Post by G Ritchie on Apr 28, 2009 20:06:10 GMT
I just slide the marker up the line until it jams against the back of the head. You can then use it as a referance point to show how far to take it inside the rod rings or how much overhang to leave, depending on the tip(s) used.
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Post by iainjay on Apr 28, 2009 20:18:21 GMT
Thanks Graham. I did as you say,jammed the marker against the back of the head and was using the 10' inter.On a Norway 9/10 I found for MY casting,the marker was about middle of the rod and I was casting really well.I tried the same position with the fast sink and it wasn't nearly as good.It was the end of the day and I didn't really have enough time but WOULD it have worked better at a different reference point? Hope this makes sense.
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Post by G Ritchie on Apr 28, 2009 20:57:57 GMT
It should work much the same with the 10ft intermediate and the 10ft fast sink tips. You have to ensure that the tip is on the surface prior to starting the backward sweep of the Spey cast. This only requires a slow steady lift of the rod if you have a decent current or in slow water a roll cast to bring the tip up onto the surface.
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Post by iainjay on Apr 28, 2009 21:06:57 GMT
Thanks Graham.Do you ever find yourself using the combination of both a 15' and 10' tips? Think I'd struggle with that!
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Post by djb on Apr 28, 2009 21:13:09 GMT
leave the marker where it is.
You should find you will have a position for the 10'ft and one for the 15'ft tips and if you use both together then another reference point. More practice on the water and it will get easier to know where you should have the marker and you will get more consistency.
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Post by G Ritchie on Apr 28, 2009 21:18:01 GMT
Thanks Graham.Do you ever find yourself using the combination of both a 15' and 10' tips? Think I'd struggle with that! Very occassionally, but I tend to prefer a full sinking line if I need to go deeper and mainly use the Monteith line with either the 10ft or 15ft tip.
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Post by iainjay on Apr 28, 2009 21:21:44 GMT
Thanks djb. I find sometimes I fish with what is more comfortable for me rather than what conditions dictate.Probably not doing myself any favours.....More Practice!!
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Post by djb on Apr 28, 2009 22:03:58 GMT
thing to remember with the inter to fast sink tips is to flick the line out a tad quicker than with the floater i.e. when the line touches the water after making your D loop on the back cast - dont let the line sit on the water. The fast sink will obviously start sinking as soon as it hits the water so if you leave it too long then it can kill your cast.
What I did last year was practice( or actually fish) with the inter and sink tips for most of the year and worked on the timing of my cast. A few subtle changes to timing was all that was needed.
With a powerful rod like the B&W this should be all that is needed as the rod will do all the work for you - also mentally you may find you put a bit more power into the lift and latter part of the cast to compensate for the sink tip. Actually in reality you dont need to do this if you get the initial lift and the timing sorted. When I started on the sink tip I was giving it too much wellie on the latter part of the cast and not forming a proper D loop because of it..
good excuse to get out more - practice makes perfect as they say - which in my case means I need to be out every day ;D
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Post by iainjay on Apr 28, 2009 22:11:40 GMT
I know that the "giving it more wellie" is something I do.It's so bloody hard to stop doing it!!!
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Post by djb on Apr 28, 2009 22:37:04 GMT
I know! rather than thinking about hitting the far bank I concentrate know on getting a decent loop over the water and good turnover of the leader and flee. If it goes to pot I tend to count waltz time - as taught by JM. for single spey: Count 1 - lift from 8 on the clock face (rod tip touching the water) to 11 oclock - nice high lift. Count 2 - swing line/rod round to and create the D loop - straight line anchor Count 3 - flick the line out pulling in with the bottom hand as much as pushing with the top (I often dont pull as much as I should) - lets the rod do all the work. Stop the rod at 11 OC'clock Or (one) 8-11 - (two) 1 - (three) 11 If in doubt - give the man himself a shout and he will sort you out.. DJB aaaghpie/porkpie certified ;D
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Post by conwyrod on Apr 29, 2009 21:40:47 GMT
It should work much the same with the 10ft intermediate and the 10ft fast sink tips. You have to ensure that the tip is on the surface prior to starting the backward sweep of the Spey cast. This only requires a slow steady lift of the rod if you have a decent current or in slow water a roll cast to bring the tip up onto the surface. Excellent advice from Graham - it is harder to get sinktips to the surface in slower water, I usually pull the marker further in if I'm wading deep and having trouble getting the tip to the surface. You Spey boys have it too easy, all the pools up there have a decent current. ;D
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