tweedsider
Active Member
Quietness is best
Posts: 993
|
Post by tweedsider on Oct 2, 2007 9:08:05 GMT
My last two salmon were taken from the centre of deep pools, perhaps 6ft or even up 10ft in low water conditions, the current scarcely moving. End tackle was a 5ft hover leader with a 9ft 15lb Maxima leader, fly was tied on a size 14 treble and fairly lightly dressed. Fish one came from a place, well it must be a lie despite the slow current, where fish regularly make a splashy jump. This simply drew the line away and hooked itself a cock fish of around 7lbs. Fish two came from similar depths and current speeds. The neck of this pool had been very productive earlier in the season yielding three fresh run grilse in a half hour period. This was the only reason for shuffling along on hands and knees and for lack of anything better to do a final cast or two down into the pool. Enough was enough and when lifting the rod to reel in, ie I was ,'working the fly', so to speak it was seized by a very hard fighting black hen fish. Normally in higher water with a choice of streams and runs I would most likely have ignored these deep pools. Have any forum members had similar experiences as above.
Tweedsider
|
|
Tyne Andrew
Active Member
April Spring Salmon 2010 - Lower Pitchroy, River Spey
Posts: 1,104
|
Post by Tyne Andrew on Oct 2, 2007 10:17:03 GMT
Yes
Very slow water has often produced fish for me. On lower Mertoun on Saturday i took a fish in very slow water with full length retrieves (hand lining) on a small size 12 ally. This is where the fish were obviously lying as they were showing there - so it is always worth covering them. I think the fly definately needed to be pulled over them though to get a take.
|
|
|
Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 2, 2007 13:33:34 GMT
That seems to be the trouble with fishing the canal down south, too much slow water.
|
|
Tyne Andrew
Active Member
April Spring Salmon 2010 - Lower Pitchroy, River Spey
Posts: 1,104
|
Post by Tyne Andrew on Oct 2, 2007 14:10:11 GMT
In defence, there were some nice runs but they are fairly short lived in comparison to the Spey and Dee. The other rods on Rutherfood only had one for the day. I am not sure whether it was Tarquin Ruthus-Tranquel or his buddy Rupert Dowles-Holdingsworth who grassed it? Was quite funny watching the novice overhead casters on the Junction - good value place to learn at this time of year Sorry - hijacking the thread here
|
|
tweedsider
Active Member
Quietness is best
Posts: 993
|
Post by tweedsider on Oct 2, 2007 16:36:23 GMT
Hello Willie Gunn this was not Tweed but a tributary, usually plenty of good fly water in decent water flows, in fact I might not have been fishing these slow deep pools were it not for the presence of fellow anglers in the main streams. Incidental just been reading through the Granton Assoc. catch returns where there must be plenty of canal water judging by the number of fish taken on spinner and worm.
|
|
|
Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 2, 2007 16:41:49 GMT
Yes I know but in all fairness the charges are only £40/day rather than £400+ to fish the Canal.
|
|
tweedsider
Active Member
Quietness is best
Posts: 993
|
Post by tweedsider on Oct 2, 2007 16:59:33 GMT
The beat I fished was £30 a year ;D ;D, but I would agree with you Willie regarding prices.
|
|
|
Post by speyblair on Oct 2, 2007 18:51:02 GMT
in fairness the water does not have to be a canal to produce fish well on spinner and worm....they work in fast streams too!!!!!
|
|
Q-n-Q
Active Member
Posts: 14
|
Post by Q-n-Q on Oct 2, 2007 19:30:27 GMT
Nethy pool on the Spey works wonders very small fly barely dressed fished deep in the slooooow water above the runoff can produce a fish or two.
|
|
|
Post by speyblair on Oct 2, 2007 20:18:07 GMT
your spot on there, I once as a loon had a nice 5lb sea trout just below the bridge one night at about 2am on a sparse #10 munro, had a few on the worm there too.
|
|
tweedsider
Active Member
Quietness is best
Posts: 993
|
Post by tweedsider on Oct 2, 2007 20:25:01 GMT
Hello speyblair I would not know never having fished these methods. It was pointed out to me on a thread regarding the record catches on Tweed two weeks ago, that while Tweed might have the best catches, Spey had the best fly water! Therefore I wondered why so many people pursued other methods on Spey. Regards tweedsider in fairness the water does not have to be a canal to produce fish well on spinner and worm....they work in fast streams too!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by speyblair on Oct 2, 2007 20:39:11 GMT
Basically, were tend to be an accesesable beat, with no limit on day tickets or methods, this means that people who want to spin and may not be permitted to use such methods on other beats can come here. With comparatively low ticket prices, it is a good beat for beginners to start on, with many of them fishing with bait or spinner. I know a lot of people who fish Grantown regularly who can fly fish well but feel more confident in catching with bait methods. There are times when for me this is the case, but I catch around 75% of my fish on the fly. IMHO fishing the spinner or worm in canal like pools, which there are a couple of at grantown, is boring, one of the most exciting ways to fish a worm is trotting in a strong currnt....the takes can be spectacular! I urge you to give it a shot!! Regards Blair Banks
|
|
tweedsider
Active Member
Quietness is best
Posts: 993
|
Post by tweedsider on Oct 2, 2007 20:48:32 GMT
What I said was not necessarily criticism of the method. Did fish Granton about 1965 and caught my only two migratory fish not taken on fly on what? Worm in the Dulnain. It could be a bit before your time but I remember my pal tailing out a worm caught fish for a local, this was July and if memory serves correct the fish weighed in excess of 20lb. That pool was above an Island, rivers change, and a boat was moored at the head of the stream with a break the glass in emergency key for the oars. Apparently that particular pool was considered extremely dangerous to wade, although most anglers in those days were thigh booted. Does that pool still exist in its past form?
|
|
conwyrod
Advisory Board
Autumn on the Conwy
Posts: 4,659
|
Post by conwyrod on Oct 2, 2007 21:34:29 GMT
The beat I fished was £30 a year ;D ;D, but I would agree with you Willie regarding prices. Must be the best value (decent) salmon fishing in the UK?
|
|
conwyrod
Advisory Board
Autumn on the Conwy
Posts: 4,659
|
Post by conwyrod on Oct 2, 2007 21:43:33 GMT
Getting back on topic, there are many Irish rivers that have slow pools, including the likes of the Moy, and the usual method is a small shrimp type fly cast out and retrieved slowly. Wind on the water helps.
Same is true of some pools on the Thurso, or so I've read.
I've caught a few fish on the Conwy in low water, mainly from necks of pools in the evening, but also the odd one or two from slower deeper stretches - using size 14 allys and a 12' leader of 10lb maxima.
|
|
tweedsider
Active Member
Quietness is best
Posts: 993
|
Post by tweedsider on Oct 3, 2007 15:25:46 GMT
Yes conwyrod it is a great bargain. Thirty pound is for the ancients, the young and nubile must pay £50, this for season from 1st April to 30th September. Outwith these dates but within the Tweed season it is £20 per day.
|
|
|
Post by speyblair on Oct 3, 2007 18:58:04 GMT
tweedsider, I think that the pool tou mention is the Tarric mor. You're right in saying it's a bad wade....I went in it last thursday! It produces a lot of fish...a nice pool!
|
|
tweedsider
Active Member
Quietness is best
Posts: 993
|
Post by tweedsider on Oct 3, 2007 19:19:02 GMT
As I said speyblair it is a long time ago, and would most likely have forgotten that pool were it not for the rescue boat. My recollection is that there was still deep water close to the bank and soft running gravel in mid stream, once you progresses so far down it was impossible to wade either ashore or back upstream.
Tweedsider
|
|
|
Post by speyblair on Oct 3, 2007 19:45:24 GMT
yep, thats the tarric, the gravel bar was my problem, i always wade too far down it!!!!!
|
|
tweedsider
Active Member
Quietness is best
Posts: 993
|
Post by tweedsider on Oct 3, 2007 20:30:10 GMT
speyblair been there done that on a number of hair raising occasions
|
|