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Post by charlieH on Oct 11, 2007 13:35:41 GMT
I know that it is illegal in Scotland to sell rod-caught salmon. But is someone who catches a salmon in Scotland, brings it back to England, smokes it, slices it and then offers it for sale, also breaking the law?
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 11, 2007 13:56:56 GMT
It is still legal to sell rod-caught salmon in England and Wales, and it appears from the Oct '06 Defra document on Salmon & Freshwater Fisheries that this applies to fish brought into England and Wales from outside (without outside countries being named). It would appear that although it is legal to retain rod-caught salmon in Scotland, you cannot sell them in Scotland. It would also appear, from the tone of the DEFRA document, that it would be expected in the not too distant future to have the same prohibition of sales in England and Wales, after appropriate legislation is approved/passed. Mike PS. If you are a strong believer in C&R as I am, then this question wouldn't arise, would it .
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Post by fruity on Oct 11, 2007 14:03:36 GMT
As long as you don't offer or sell the salmon or sea trout in Scotland then there is no problem. If you become one of the many people who offer/sell fish south of the border, to a very popular English fish & game dealer for instance, then you won't have a problem as long as you do the offering and selling in England. If you catch a salmon or sea trout south of the border and offer or sell it within Scotland, then you can be prosecuted.
The law is a little daft but serves a purpose, and like any law can be abused if close to a border. Unless you tell someone or give away the evidence, in reality there is little chance of being caught or prosecuted, especially if you fish in England & Scotland. There are people in my area who will smoke fish for a very small fee, the wastage is high.
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Post by charlieH on Oct 11, 2007 14:12:44 GMT
PS. If you are a strong believer in C&R as I am, then this question wouldn't arise, would it . No, and for the avoidance of doubt, I am not contemplating going into fishmongery! I did kill one smallish salmon this year (the first in, I think, about four years), but will not be offering it for sale. I ask the question because a friend of mine came across someone recently who, I think, runs a small smokehouse in southern England and was selling smoked wild Scottish salmon. When asked where his salmon came from, he replied that he caught them himself from the Tay. If legal, this seems to drive a coach and horses through the Scottish law, and I would certainly like to see it stopped (along with sales of rod-caught salmon and sea trout from English and Welsh rivers).
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 11, 2007 14:38:41 GMT
If legal, this seems to drive a coach and horses through the Scottish law, and I would certainly like to see it stopped (along with sales of rod-caught salmon and sea trout from English and Welsh rivers). I would agree that such a practice as you describe would seem to be making a fool of the Scottish law, but, I do have tempered confidence that E&W govt will see sense and eventually have the same arrangements prohibiting the sale of any rod-caught anadromous fish. Mike PS. Stopping or severely reducing the Tay fishers' (and I use that word advisedly) practice of chapping ~70% of salmon would put a severe dent in said friends' smokery business anyhow!
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Post by tweedsider on Oct 11, 2007 17:49:28 GMT
Rumour has it that large scale rod and line fishmongering takes place on a private club water on the Whiteadder, where a large holding pool below a cauld is always well stocked with salmon. Allegedly these fish are smoked by an expert amatuer fish curer and are then sold on to various outlets. Another rumour has it that this club under records catches thus avoiding paying dues for bailiff services.
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 11, 2007 18:18:29 GMT
If that setup is bending or breaking rules like that, it makes you wonder what other rules are being distorted for their own purposes Mike
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Post by victorclem2 on Oct 11, 2007 19:51:18 GMT
Speyducer is right. You can stop this sort of thing if you can get the ghillies onside and implement C & R. They are the only people that can police this. Insist on C & R, the fishmongers will threaten to leave but can easily be replaced, the demand for salmon fishing is high. You will then have the type of person fishing who you can work with...... and it does'nt then matter where they come from or what the law in England is.
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Post by salmonking on Oct 11, 2007 19:57:37 GMT
Rumour has it that large scale rod and line fishmongering takes place on a private club water on the Whiteadder, where a large holding pool below a cauld is always well stocked with salmon. Allegedly these fish are smoked by an expert amatuer fish curer and are then sold on to various outlets. Another rumour has it that this club under records catches thus avoiding paying dues for bailiff services. Tweedsider Not a rumour,,,this is fact,,a large mill/company,,the only people with access to this beat are the workers and associates off,,i always regard this stretch of water as the tragedy
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Post by logie on Oct 16, 2007 20:53:48 GMT
I read a report from the FSA (Food Standards Agency) that wild salmon was being sold in some places in the UK and it was actually tested and found to be farmed salmon. If I find it I will post the link.
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Post by logie on Oct 17, 2007 12:46:54 GMT
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 17, 2007 18:14:56 GMT
Presumably, then, as the general public, Uncle Joe & Aunt Sally, can't tell the difference between wild and farmed fish, the farmed fish industry are playing on that premise, even if it is fraudulent selling. Mike
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