nessc
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Post by nessc on Oct 18, 2007 16:25:56 GMT
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salmo
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Post by salmo on Oct 18, 2007 16:44:57 GMT
Well that's a shame about the record and all that. At least with so many photos they were able to make an honest assessment and curtail any accusations of exaggerations. Anyway, now that one of the largest fish in our memories has been caught on this river, all of the Ness fishers should be out celebrating. I hope in the longer term you can all benefit from the spotlight publicity and it will serve the whole community there. We have to remember that this was a once in a lifetime fish and the fact that it went back means there a chance of catching a successor in 5 years time. Hats off to Mr Don Milne - I think we should all offer him one of our fishing days in 2008;D I will start the ball rolling by donating a day on the Dee in April. salmo
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Post by robbie on Oct 18, 2007 16:56:41 GMT
Wow, difficult to top that offer. I will not donate a days fishing, but will again donate to VictorClems survey fund. Although Tay based, surveys like this will benefit everyone. Robbie
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Post by hornet on Oct 18, 2007 17:27:57 GMT
Salmo,
I'm out with Stip on Saturday, how's about a consolation day for me next year on the Dee.
Hornet
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salmo
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Post by salmo on Oct 18, 2007 17:50:38 GMT
Hornet,
I just had a PM from STip saying the same about you ;D ;D
salmo
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Post by hornet on Oct 18, 2007 18:26:40 GMT
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fruity
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Post by fruity on Oct 18, 2007 18:44:42 GMT
If you read the Highland News article you will see Mr Milne is from Aberdeen, therefore the article could be following a newspaper tradition and completely understating the actualities.
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bloke
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Post by bloke on Oct 18, 2007 19:50:57 GMT
At last some commonsense.....I have been a " victim " of over-estimating the weight of large salmon for four years having fished the Alta ...the problem is that when you catch a truly huge fish you have no point of reference and tend to speculate wildly...The first 25lb salmon I caught really looked like 35 lb in my inexperienced mind. The guides on the Alta do not carry scales because they have seen numerous fish up to 40lbs and can " guess" the weight of a fish to within a pound or so....its uncanny but when you think about it they are witnessing very large salmon caught every week. It is understandable that when someone sees a fish twice or maybe three times the size of anything they have ever seen before things get confused. some pics ...
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bloke
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Post by bloke on Oct 18, 2007 19:57:42 GMT
So now imagine how big a 100lb slamon would look like ! M
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bloke
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Post by bloke on Oct 18, 2007 20:02:29 GMT
These pics are " stills " obviously. I have produced a DVD video diary of our 2003 Alta trip. If any body is interested they are available for £20 . cheques made payable to the tweed foundation. m
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bloke
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Post by bloke on Oct 18, 2007 20:12:22 GMT
and before any body asks. the two guides guessed this fish at 50lbs....
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salmo
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Post by salmo on Oct 18, 2007 20:35:30 GMT
and before any body asks. the two guides guessed this fish at 50lbs.... Bloke, Great pics. Do you have the length and girth out of interest? salmo
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 18, 2007 20:59:25 GMT
Try to always be prepared for the unexpected. It takes some forethought, a little effort, and a little money, but the extra hassle of carry a few extra bits of kit with you (you must always assume that no-one else on the water is as prepared, or you are on your own when the event happens) when you fish for salmon now. Although it is no-one's intention to hook up with a rarely huge fish, it does happen. And in the circumstances where you have prepared with good quality hooks, strong leader, sufficient backing, and utilise the knowledge and experince gained from previous fishing forays, AND you have luck on your side (most hooked leviathans have the significant advantage over the angler, and few ever come to the bank, and the angler is left with the feeling 'that was a BIG fish' without actually really knowing if it was HUGE), then the time and effort in preparation in advance of wading in and casting may be well rewarded with a personal best, or even some form of record. However, it takes but a few extra seconds to place the fish in some form of fish friendly light sling (as the carp / pike / catfish anglers do), use a scale which has the capacity way above and beyond what is the current record fish [note: that scale will still weigh adequately into the lower weights too], and then measure the length neb to tail fork, and girth at the front edge of the dorsal fin, take a couple of pictures, then revive and release the fish. The only thing of some bulk may be the weigh scale - but most jackets do have some back panel pockets out of the way. I do hope that I have the opportunity to land a fish someway towards the size of the Ness salmon, but if I manage to acheive that, I hope I will have remembered to take the above kit with me. Mike PS. very impressive pics, bloke. M
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bloke
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Post by bloke on Oct 18, 2007 21:09:38 GMT
Salmo. In each case the guides were not interested in weighing the fish because they were not big enough....basically the scales dont come out unless they think the fish could be more than 60lbs ho hum !! m
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 18, 2007 21:12:41 GMT
....basically the scales dont come out unless they think the fish could be more than 60lbs m Same on the Ness, you know.
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Post by conwyrod on Oct 18, 2007 21:25:46 GMT
;D
I suppose there'll be a mad rush in the Inverness area to buy sets of 100lb scales for next season!
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bloke
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Post by bloke on Oct 18, 2007 22:11:10 GMT
Well ..that is the blind leading the blind. Which is exactly what has happened in this case....bear in mind they are Scots....so the thought process is wierd. m
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Post by neptune on Oct 18, 2007 22:28:47 GMT
Well ..that is the blind leading the blind. Which is exactly what has happened in this case....bear in mind they are Scots....so the thought process is wierd. m bloke could you just clarify that remark as i dont understand the wierd thought process part
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 18, 2007 22:30:44 GMT
Well ..that is the blind leading the blind. Which is exactly what has happened in this case....bear in mind they are Scots....so the thought process is wierd. m Are you going to run courses on the Alta then so us poor innocents can experience catching big fish? No I thought not Sorry my thought process is weird, I'm Scottish
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 19, 2007 10:12:06 GMT
Well, well.... According to the report in the Scotsman, who had apparently obtained an interview with Mr Milne.... news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1662132007....the fish was neither weighed, NOR measured!! So where did the reports originate that the fish was 56" long and 50" girth??? Created a huge debate on this forum, as on others, without having anything but 'third hand' information and one photo of a large fish. Perhaps the release of such (as may be viewed now) 'misleading' information at such an early stage had motives other than the possible recording of a "record salmon". As we have no corroborating story, and the various short articles available in the printed press (& I have only personally seen three) are just that, variable, and therefore not to be trusted either. I suppose that we'll have to buy Hello magazine or whatever, if the full story with pictures actually hits the public printed media, to find out more. Mike
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