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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 19, 2007 10:27:10 GMT
I think you are being a touch harsh, I think the fish was measured using a rod or perhaps a stick which was then re-measured against a yardstick or similar. Do you carry a tailor's tape when you fish? At the time the adrenaline would be pumping it was a fish of a lifetime, then the river tom toms started, once Scott had posted it on the internet there was no going back. People saw it as an opportunity to push their forums and speculation was rife. Did you ever see the fish's captor on line speculating a record had been broken? Grant Sutherland? No it was all down to "forum-hype"
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Post by nessc on Oct 19, 2007 11:25:50 GMT
Yes.
As soon as the fish was landed, I asked Grant if it would be okay to put a post on the forum. He declined the offer as he did not was anything said until the officials made a decision on it.
I woke up the next day to find stories, pictures and more stories.
I think it would have been better kept quite as Grant stated.
Gordon
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Post by salmo on Oct 19, 2007 12:19:09 GMT
Williegunn,
I do not think that anyone consciously tried to push this forum because our posting activity is very healthy, but I agree that activity levels were high on all fishing sites. Let's face it, the salmon fishers community was genuinely interested in what is still one hell of a good fish.
Having read that last article I have even more respect for the fish being returned and the logic given by the angler.
salmo
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Post by sagethumb on Oct 19, 2007 12:21:56 GMT
Do you carry a tailor's tape when you fish? In these days of 'catch and release' surely it is the norm? Even if I didn't carry a tape; I would expect my gillie to have one. It looks like Strutt & Parker, from their statement, are distancing themselves from recent events. C
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Post by owen on Oct 19, 2007 12:55:41 GMT
Prompted by statement in the latest report about big fish breeding big fish and probably another of my stupid questions.. but seeing that monster made me think more about breeding (fish that is). What happens in the river when it has grilse and leviathans like this fish? Will the big ones just breed with each other or is it all 'keys in a jar' so the big ones muscle in all over the place improving the genepool big-fish-wise? Do different sizes/runs breed at different times? In different depths of water? I've not read anything on this so apologies if this is Spot-the-Dog-learns-about-salmon level. Cheers, Nolon.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 19, 2007 13:06:58 GMT
Williegunn, I do not think that anyone consciously tried to push this forum salmo Where did I say THIS forum.
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Post by G Ritchie on Oct 19, 2007 13:20:02 GMT
Prompted by statement in the latest report about big fish breeding big fish and probably another of my stupid questions.. but seeing that monster made me think more about breeding (fish that is). What happens in the river when it has grilse and leviathans like this fish? Will the big ones just breed with each other or is it all 'keys in a jar' so the big ones muscle in all over the place improving the genepool big-fish-wise? Do different sizes/runs breed at different times? In different depths of water? I've not read anything on this so apologies if this is Spot-the-Dog-learns-about-salmon level. Cheers, Nolon. Most of these very large fish have very low fertility. On the Dee they tried selecting larger fish when they first started the hatchery and found that most of the eggs covered by large c0ck fish didn't fertilize. The eggs fertilized using normal sized fish were much more successful.
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Post by salmo on Oct 19, 2007 13:56:43 GMT
Williegunn, I do not think that anyone consciously tried to push this forum salmo Where did I say THIS forum. WG, I was being neutral. I knew you did not mean THIS forum. salmo
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Post by Silver Stoat on Oct 19, 2007 15:04:44 GMT
Most of these very large fish have very low fertility. On the Dee they tried selecting larger fish when they first started the hatchery and found that most of the eggs covered by large c0ck fish didn't fertilize. The eggs fertilized using normal sized fish were much more successful. I don't know if it is the same with Salmon but, from the experience of our Seatrout smolt rearing scheme, very large hens seldom produce good quality eggs either and these often will have to be rejected for use when stripped. A few years ago I had to dispatch a large Seatrout hen that failed to recover after capture and I counted and check weighed a sample of the eggs. This showed a significantly lower than average yield per fish Lb. and the local expert reckoned that few of them would produce viable young. I suppose that, as with most creatures, there is a peak in the reproductive capacity of fish followed by a decline into old age. What happens in the river when it has grilse and leviathans like this fish? Will the big ones just breed with each other or is it all 'keys in a jar' so the big ones muscle in all over the place improving the genepool big-fish-wise? . Actually it is usually the smaller fish that try to sneak in at the critical time to fertilise the eggs being laid by a larger female. I suppose this behaviour is a kind of natural insurance against a large cock fish being not up to the job, so to speak! Dave.
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Post by robbie on Oct 19, 2007 15:07:45 GMT
Dave Some people will be very relieved to hear that "size isn't everything"
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Post by fruity on Oct 19, 2007 15:11:05 GMT
Hoechstmass Rollfix Retractable Tape Measures come in different colours, are plastic and therefore light, have a spring loaded flexible tape and measure up to 150cm/60 inches. Never had a problem when wet. Available at a good haberdashery ...as they say.
I see there are some similar red ones on ebay (never tried these ones)...... item number 150172941256.
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Post by owen on Oct 19, 2007 19:07:03 GMT
Graham / Dave,
Thanks for the info.
So with the improbability of such an old fish being a likely breeder, I guess that returning it has more to do with the philosophy of C&R being more important in the anglers mind than chasing any record.
Double karma points for that man...
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Post by Silver Stoat on Oct 19, 2007 20:00:43 GMT
owen,
As I said, I'm not certain whether it is the same for Salmon (although I would imagine it to be) but whether it is or not I think we should give the river the benefit of any doubt and return large fish if possible. Sometimes this is not possible as was the case with both DAZ's big Seatrout and mine - the physical stress of being caught was just too much but this is not always so.
Dave.
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Post by severnfisher on Oct 19, 2007 22:16:19 GMT
I think you're point about giving the river the benefit of the doubt is very important Dave. The imponderable is whether or not it is precisely those eggs that are fertilised by the big 3 or more MSW cock salmon that are most likely to produce the next generation of 3 or more MSW fish. tom p.s. on another point a tape measure takes up less space than a packet of fags or a tiny flask
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Post by salmo on Oct 19, 2007 23:10:12 GMT
The dressmakers tape is the most handy. There's no excuse not to have one when most coops sell them for £1.99. These roll up in the bag and are basically disposable at that price. They are also washable if they get covered in fish slime which is a useful feature.
salmo
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