seatroot
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Post by seatroot on Oct 3, 2007 22:17:30 GMT
There are many newly designed fly lines on the market today and they vary considerably. All things being equal do you guys prefer a short, a medium or a long front taper for Spey casting. What do you think is the optimum length for a taper on say a 10/11 or 11/12 modern spey line. Do any of you cut and join some of your lines to gain optimum performance. Hows about some tips on fly line stuff Gordon I enjoyed your IAC demos on the Little Isle earlier this year, and I hope you and Scottie come along again next year. Are you going to the Mac party on Sat 13th, should be a laugh.
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lamson
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Post by lamson on Oct 4, 2007 22:06:32 GMT
Hi SS , when you refer to the front taper , do you really mean the front taper or the total head length? I f you do mean front taper then a long shallow one gives delicate presentation but not so hot with polytips and / or heavier flies, or in a wind, Snowbees, TT's ang IG lines are examples of lines with this characteristics. Short front tapers reverse these , the dreaded windcutter being an obvious example.
Lamson
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conwyrod
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Post by conwyrod on Oct 4, 2007 22:11:45 GMT
Even the 'dreaded' windcutter has its use in the malt whisky canyon, on a windy day for example.
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lamson
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Post by lamson on Oct 4, 2007 22:24:38 GMT
Even the 'dreaded' windcutter has its use in the malt whisky canyon, on a windy day for example. No,no, no. I believe in certain parts they use them for the lynching of Cutlery chuckers .
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seatroot
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Post by seatroot on Oct 5, 2007 11:21:02 GMT
Yes I meant the taper, not the head,
It's interesting what you say about IG lines, too long a taper relevant to the head length makes for a light head I would think. Perhaps this is why they don't turn over polys too well. There's not much "meat" or "beef" in the full head.
I assume, judging by what you say about the windcutter, that a medium length taper would be best with and without polys. I wonder if there's a formula for the optimum length of a tip taper compared to the actual head length.
I've got a couple of spare lines and was considering cutting them and playing around with the tips. I did this once in the early 90's and created a line with an DT11 centre body, for the D loop, a DT8 inside taper, for shooting, and a DT9 head taper, for quicker movement on slow water. It goes out quite well but the measurements need a little adjustment.
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lamson
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Post by lamson on Oct 6, 2007 7:57:57 GMT
Hi SS the ideas you outline in your final para are similar to the first steps in the development of the current WF style spey lines .
If you are looking for a mid head length line that will handle poly tips I doubt you'll do better than the Monteith at £40, currently available in 10 /11 only but I think a 9/10 is imminent.
Lamson
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nessc
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Post by nessc on Oct 6, 2007 12:48:08 GMT
There are many newly designed fly lines on the market today and they vary considerably. All things being equal do you guys prefer a short, a medium or a long front taper for Spey casting. What do you think is the optimum length for a taper on say a 10/11 or 11/12 modern spey line. Do any of you cut and join some of your lines to gain optimum performance. Hows about some tips on fly line stuff Gordon I enjoyed your IAC demos on the Little Isle earlier this year, and I hope you and Scottie come along again next year. Are you going to the Mac party on Sat 13th, should be a laugh. Lawrence Really enjoyed doing the demos in June, it was good to have such a turnout, especially from the youngsters. I will try and get down to the Mac for the end of season party; however the boss may have other plans. With regards to head length, generally I stick to a 65ft head carron on the Ness, However I go to a short headed line when I am on the likes of the Helmsdale or Brora. I find the likes of the windcutter great for loading my rod at short distances and turning over heavy tubes. The optimum length of head very much depends on the caster. Gordon
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seatroot
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Post by seatroot on Oct 7, 2007 15:56:10 GMT
Gordon
If you do happen to go give me a buzz and I'll meet you there, I'm not sure if I'm going, or what time I'm going if I do go. 65 ft sounds a bit short ha ha ha only kidding thanks for the info.
Lamson
Thanks yes the Monteith I bought the base line 68ft head a couple of weeks ago and can confirm it's a really good line. Jock sent me the multi tip to demo and it's really good also however I don't have a use for all the tips.
I think there is room for improvement in the new lines, but it is difficult to please everyone and match every rod at the same time.
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Speyducer
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Post by Speyducer on Nov 4, 2007 11:54:05 GMT
Getting into the 'world of tapers' has never been my bag!
However, give me a line to test, and I'll tell you within 5 minutes if it suits my casting style and the rod.
I recently tried the Ian Gordon line, on a Partridge rod - neither belonging to me - a delight, and wonderfully delicate presentation, even for me!
Mike
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