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Post by sinkingtip on Sept 14, 2008 20:20:09 GMT
As good a place to put this as any. An old chestnut raised itself the other day regarding 'helpers' - you know, the guy who suddenly appears out of nowhere whilst you are in the middle of playing fish - not bailiffs !! "Need any help to land it mate ?". At this point you will have two options open to you - the "yes" word or the "no" word. The words "please" and "thanks" are optional and may be applied according to your demeanor at any given point in time. If the reply is "No - that's a very kind offer but I will manage myself kind sir" then the 'helper', having taken no offence, should retreat immediately to a place of concealment (off the skyline if there is a high bank immediately behind you) or endeavor to keep as low a profile as possible - 'nae bawlin an shoutin' or more specifically 'nae speech play' or running commentary ....... nothing guaranteed to get on ones 'chats' more than this. However, if you decide to answer in the affirmative - "Yes please 'o helpful one" - then you should be aware that you have just entered into an irrevocable verbal contract that, should you lose your fish due to Mr Helpful's inadequacies as a netsman, then the fault will lie firmly at your door and your door alone and in no way whatsoever should you apportion blame to anyone other than yourself. Over 'the piece' it is probably better that you decline most offers of 'help' unless you are - A) Confident of your assistants capabilities - but do beware of boys claiming "this troot net has landed fufteen punders in its time". B) There is simply no way you can manage by yourself - in which case it could be argued that you need the practice  Just the rantings of a mans who's missus is preocupied with Tess Of The D'urbervilles  regards STip |
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Post by conwyrod on Sept 14, 2008 21:07:49 GMT
Good observations Tip. Last time someone offered to help me, the dropper fly snagged his jacket arm and the leader broke.  I remember messing up when netting a fish for a friend in my youth. He'd hooked a salmon on a Mepps. The hooks caught in the net mesh as I tried to get the net under the fish, fish escaped. |
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Post by salmo on Sept 14, 2008 21:54:49 GMT
I was on the Suldalslågen last year. www.suldalslagen.com/public.aspxThis river is famous for big fish in the 10kg -15kg range with some even bigger. I caught a small grilse and the guide offered to land it for me but I was crouched on a rocky ledge and said just pass me the net and I will be fine. He passed me this net that was 3ft across and made from 1/2" guage steel had a 8ft long x 2in sq handle that would double as a long boat oar. It weighed a ton. I struggled to get it in deep below the fish. When I lifted the net the fish was efficiently engulfed and I lifted it beside me. As soon as I got the hook out the fish simply slipped through the massive mesh and back into the river. Next time I hear "Need any help" I will say "Be my bla dee guest!" ;D ;D ;D salmo |
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Post by neptune on Sept 15, 2008 21:02:35 GMT
when i was a young pup i was asked if i could help my mate land his fish, somehow his line went round my neck  he thought the fish had came off so whipped the rod up as hard as he could, while the fish went in the other direction, alot of swearing & shouting later i had to pull his line by hand to realease the strain while he managed to wrap the line around my neck again the fish was landed on the bank with out the net & he left me tangled to look at his prize  needless to say i will never ask anyone if they need a hand now & if they ask me i will be very wary were the line is |
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Post by sinkingtip on Sept 16, 2008 7:14:50 GMT
Ouch !! ..... or should that be Aaargh ? !! ....... with the addition of a mild 'gurgle'. May I ask if it was a fly line or monofil ? ....... I guess fly as monofil would have resulted in partial decapitation. Bizarre story all the same. ;D Nice. STip |
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Post by hornet on Sept 16, 2008 9:43:27 GMT
I actually prefer somebody netting for me. It allows me to fully concentrate on fighting and controlling the fish. If per chance the fish gets lost then i only blame myself not the helper. So far i have not had anyone loose a fish when netting. Stp is pretty gid with the net  Cheers Hornet |
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Post by tweedsider on Sept 16, 2008 15:59:21 GMT
Another scenario Stp. You are casting a immpeccable fly on your favourite pool of a busy Association beat, some sucess has come your way and you decide to move on as a stranger approaches, obviously a newcomer to the beat, and asks if it is allright if he starts behind you. Of course it is , and 15 minutes later you see the chap struggling a bit in the high water conditions with a 4lb grilse. Now bearing in mind that this is a busy beat and there is no way you want to encourage newcomers. Do you:-
A Ignore the proceedings and hope the chap loses the fish.
B You offer to help and endevour to knock the fish off the hook with his landing net.
C Take the landing net, land the chaps fish and congratulate him on the capture of a silver bright grilse at the same time reminding him that the Assoc rules only allow one fish per day. Does he want to return or keep the fish?
What is the etiquette which prevails here. Personally I hand anyone who offers to help land a fish my camera and tell them to keep snapping, much prefer to deal withy the situation myself. The expertise of SK excepted of course.
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Post by salmonking on Sept 16, 2008 18:15:01 GMT
Let him get on with it,two against one aint fair,and if he can't land a 4lb grilse,then he shouldn't be salmon fishing.
If i know the fella ,and i know he ain't a fish monger,then i'd help if required.
On a personal note ,i like to land most my fish myself,then i have only myself to blame.
If someone has my net and i lose the fish......it's his fault. ;D
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Post by sinkingtip on Sept 16, 2008 18:46:07 GMT
Yo Tweedie !! Couple of things aboot yer post - hope ye dinna mind me sayin. ".... some success has come your way and you decide to move on as a stranger approaches". Why ? Having tasted "success" surely it would be considered "richt neebourly" that you 'share' both your knowledge and / or tales of recent success with, what is in all probability, a perfectly charming gentleman looking for nothing more than a bit of local advice. "Now bearing in mind that this is a busy beat and there is no way you want to encourage newcomers". Excuse me ? Call me auld fashioned but in the words of Andy Stewart, "Come in, come in, its nice tae see ye - call again - your welcome here". Embrace the "newcomers" - they micht be rare lads ! - certainly better than some ye micht end up fushin wi !! Options A-C ? A - naw. Thats just bad karma - go directly to the bottom of the beat. B - naw again. Remind me never to let you near a net. Closest one's 'C'. But WAIT til the gentleman ASKS for help. IF, after a certain period of time has elapsed, he is blatantly struggling and not asked for assistance (although wi a fower pund grilse I would doubt it) then you may OFFER to help. Should he accept, then try to do a good job for the sake of the family name. Having landed it, allow him his moment of glory then gently suggest its return should there be any doubt - for fear of being on the receiving end of a 'richt doin', you should endeavor to respect his wishes unless the beat rules state otherwise. And lastly - "Personally, I hand anyone who offers to help land a fish my camera and tell them to keep snapping". Fair enough, but I would expect, by the law of averages, that at some point some barsteward will do a runner wi it - whut ye gonna dae - chase them ?. Braw - keep it up min. ;D best regards STip |
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Post by osprey on Sept 16, 2008 19:19:52 GMT
I remember getting, well intentioned, help in the days of using a tailer and the next thing you know the tailer is over the fish and up your line and then struggle to get the tailer over the rod to get it out of the way. Thanks gawd these implements are banned now.
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Post by annanangler on Sept 16, 2008 22:29:00 GMT
If someone has my net and i lose the fish......it's his fault. ;D  oops! ;D |
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Post by tweedsider on Sept 17, 2008 8:09:31 GMT
Hello Stip yes I would always help a ,"brother of the angle, on or off the waterside. By putting in the other options I merely sought the advice and wisdom from members of this forum. Regarding handing another angler, I always ensure that my membership badge as a crackshot in the NRA is weel displayed across my manly chest. Tweedsider |
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Post by sinkingtip on Sept 17, 2008 18:47:58 GMT
yes I would always help a ,"brother of the angle, on or off the waterside. By putting in the other options I merely sought the advice and wisdom from members of this forumAh ken ye did - thats why yer such a wee treasure  So, c'mon lads whit aboot Tweedies 3 scenario poser ? |
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Post by hornet on Sept 18, 2008 9:13:18 GMT
If in doubt always pick "C" |
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Post by neptune on Sept 18, 2008 21:44:47 GMT
stip it was fly line round my neck tweedies question i would leave him to get on with it unless he asked for help |
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Post by speyghillie on Sept 21, 2008 17:49:48 GMT
If I was in the position where I was struggling to land a fish or indeed a helpful passer-by offered some assistance, I'd actually hand them the rod, perhaps under instruction, and net the fish myself. In reality, I think it would be the safer option and more sensible option.
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Post by Speyducer on Sept 21, 2008 19:27:11 GMT
If beaching or getting to the hands in the shallows are not viable options (for various reasons), and there is a net handy with a willing helper, by all means I would allow that assistance...
However, one should be able to tell quite quickly how said stranger / helper handles the net and approaches the fish whether it is 'safe' to continue to let said helper to actually net it.
Having seen a few 'willing helpers' using said device like a butterfly net and a tennis racket in my time, I would err on the cautious side a bit.
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Post by sinkingtip on Sept 21, 2008 20:19:33 GMT
If I was in the position where I was struggling to land a fish or indeed a helpful passer-by offered some assistance, I'd actually hand them the rod, perhaps under instruction, and net the fish myself. In reality, I think it would be the safer option and more sensible option. You are probably right Jock - there speaks the voice of an experienced, well seasoned ghillie and fisher. Why didn't I think of that ?  Best regards as always. STip |
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he thought the fish had came off so whipped the rod up as hard as he could, while the fish went in the other direction, alot of swearing & shouting later i had to pull his line by hand to realease the strain while he managed to wrap the line around my neck again 
oops! ;D
