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Post by neptune on Feb 3, 2009 21:18:48 GMT
in jackfishes thread "can you remember your first salmon?" there are quite a few that were caught on the worm when we were youngsters, alot of rivers now are fly only but do you think kids up to a certain age should be alowed to fish worm to get them "hooked" on fishing before they try to master the flee rod this bit is not a DIG but the whitty is fly only & now a season ticket for troot only may deter alot of futre anglers from taking up fishing  neptune |
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Post by speyghillie on Feb 3, 2009 21:27:51 GMT
I believe that every youngster should learn how to fish in a burn with a worm. This however is unlikely to happen these days unless they get guidance, access and have something to fish for.
It's just far too easy these days to go to a 'pond' full of stockie rainbows, pay your £10 or whatever and be guaranteed to catch.
I began like most youngsters in the 'Turra Burn' fishing for Brownies/Parr/Smolts/Eels/Kets and in Sep-Nov Sea-trout & Salmon. It was safe and encouraged for a 10 year old boy to go fishing/exploring on his own, without the need for today's bureaucracy.
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Post by salmonking on Feb 3, 2009 21:36:14 GMT
As Jock says....there are little to fish for..it's how i started fishing'
but i dread to think the damage i did when i was a kid..great fun at the time..tinged with a little regret.
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Post by tweedsider on Feb 4, 2009 11:22:50 GMT
Most of my earliest trout were caught from burns of varied sizes on a mixture of baits. Worm, docken grub caddis grub and the deadly drop minnow to clay cut banks. Lots of hands and knees stuff to get into position to flick the deadly offerings into a likely pot. Indeed many of those waters were and still would be impossible to fish with fly, an excellent apprenticship in river craft. Moving on to fish the Tweed, permits were freely available in the Coldstream area, there for the asking in fact but all stipulated ARTIFICIAL FLY ONLY. So another excellent apprenticeship and to this day I have yet to fish for or catch a migratory fish with any form of spinning tackle.
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Post by say on Feb 4, 2009 12:50:43 GMT
I too started out fishing for Broonies using the worm on the River Don, progressing to fly fishing. I do however feel that youngsters should be encouraged to fish rivers, not burns, but if you look on the "fish websites" how many offer a reduction for a juvenile.. - None that I can see. Most private beats discourage rod sharing therefore this will deter a father from taking his son/daughter along to "share" the rod. You very rarely see any kids fishing my local rivers nowadays, the ADAA waters which has approx 1000 memebers allows kids under the age of 12 (free of charge) to fish with an Adult member. I think this is a great initiative but still there is a lack of youngsters. |
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Post by speyghillie on Feb 5, 2009 15:19:26 GMT
Most private beats discourage rod sharing therefore this will deter a father from taking his son/daughter along to "share" the rod. Say, You are quite correct, we really do need to encourage our youngsters to fish, as they are the future. I was taught to play golf and rugby by my Dad and taught to fish, initially by my Uncle. There are a variety of professional organisations available today, with the aim of introducing our youngsters to sports. In my opinion, as a parent, I firmly believe that good parenting skills should play a major role in opening these doors and the excuse of being too busy is just a cop out. Unfortunately, everyone appears far too busy today, including the kids!! As parents, I don't really think we have no-one to blame but ourselves. With regard to your statement on rod sharing, I totally disagree and after 30+ years of Salmon fishing, I know of no beat that would discourage a father teaching his son to fish. Digressing slightly - These rod sharing rules, of which I support and actually instigated ours, are simply to prevent 'chancers' from taking liberties. Especially with single bank fishing, the last thing you want to see from the opposite side, is a guy finishing a pool, whilst his rod-sharing mate waits for the nod at the top to begin. Also, if the reason for rod-sharing is to keep the cost down, then it may be a better idea to search out a cheaper bit of water. (Have one's cake and eat it springs to mind) My rules on Rod Sharing are simple. If there are 2 anglers wishing to share a rod, 1 fishes in the morning and the other in the afternoon, with only 1 rod set up. If there are any youngsters in the party, they are encouraged to fish and I look after them whilst their parents fish. I think most private beats would have a similar attitude. |
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Post by tweedsider on Feb 5, 2009 15:44:42 GMT
Most private beats discourage rod sharing therefore this will deter a father from taking his son/daughter along to "share" the rod. Well I cannot comment on that but our local Association actually discourages local anglers from salmon angling. As at least two other posters here will confirm. Tweedsider |
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Post by nevis on Feb 6, 2009 13:03:15 GMT
hi guy I'm new to the forum and interested in this thread as i have three sons between 11 and 15 and have always taken them fishing .they started of fishing the worm but when i hooked fish on the fly i would give them the rod to take the fish in .Doing this they have got right into the fly fishing quite quick.In the last two seasons they have both landed salmon un aided with the fly and most of the time prefer the fly.I have permission of the river owner to take my kids as one of the angling clubs I'm in don't really encourage the kids.Last season during a spate i took my boys down to a pool and there were a couple of guys fishing in the pool up to there armpits in water  two of my boys had there fly rods with them.This guy came out of the water and asked if i had permission for the kids to fish i said yes he said i hope its writing permission i said i had an agreement with the river owner at this point i stopped short of sconing him .My boys by this time were asking me to have a cast so said i would wait till i spoke to the owner again. The guy that jarred me fishes about once a year ::)so after the guy left i let the boys fish as i watched and they made this guy look like an amateur.I enjoy watching them fishing and the concentration they have is great to watch. Sorry for the rant but i was rather p2shed of that a grown man would try and stopped kids fishing i wonder who taught him and were |
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Post by tweedsider on Feb 6, 2009 13:16:37 GMT
Hello Nevis and welcome, I have met a surprising few of that guys type in the many hours I have spent on the river, for which I give thanks. Some however think because they have bought a day's salmon angling they own the river and want trout anglers and everyone cleared from the banks to allow them free scope. The type likley to blame others for their lack of success rather than their own inability. The other type is a jumped up agent or factor who certainly never seem to have the manners and grace of their employers.
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Post by sinkingtip on Feb 6, 2009 13:41:24 GMT
Slightly off topic - apologies.
Hi nevis - I have no idea of the detailed circumstances surrounding your unfortunate experience but reading your post I think, if it were me, the 'written permission' or lack of written permission is the key issue here.
I am not a "river owner" but I am allowed 'guest' access to fish my small syndicate water on the South Esk and no matter how well known or how regularly they fish the beat, the rules are that they must carry 'written permission' at all times - a legal requirement if I am not mistaken.
Explain what happened to the owner - I am sure he will understand and issue you with appropriate documentation for the future - it keeps everybody 'right' as they say.
Welcome to the forum.
regards
STip
PS Get the laddies to sign up too.
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Post by nevis on Feb 6, 2009 17:32:58 GMT
cheers sinktip the the river owner sent me two permits for the boys the next day till end of season 2009 ;D so can't wait till i see the guy again on the bank.I being a club member would love to see more kids fishing but they don't encourage it but i fish another river that i have a family ticket 25 quid for the year and they can fish anytime and had a good run of fish of it for only being 1 mile long over 50 caught last year up to 26lb |
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Post by say on Feb 7, 2009 22:16:41 GMT
Most private beats discourage rod sharing therefore this will deter a father from taking his son/daughter along to "share" the rod. Say, You are quite correct, we really do need to encourage our youngsters to fish, as they are the future. I was taught to play golf and rugby by my Dad and taught to fish, initially by my Uncle. There are a variety of professional organisations available today, with the aim of introducing our youngsters to sports. In my opinion, as a parent, I firmly believe that good parenting skills should play a major role in opening these doors and the excuse of being too busy is just a cop out. Unfortunately, everyone appears far too busy today, including the kids!! As parents, I don't really think we have no-one to blame but ourselves. With regard to your statement on rod sharing, I totally disagree and after 30+ years of Salmon fishing, I know of no beat that would discourage a father teaching his son to fish. Digressing slightly - These rod sharing rules, of which I support and actually instigated ours, are simply to prevent 'chancers' from taking liberties. Especially with single bank fishing, the last thing you want to see from the opposite side, is a guy finishing a pool, whilst his rod-sharing mate waits for the nod at the top to begin. Also, if the reason for rod-sharing is to keep the cost down, then it may be a better idea to search out a cheaper bit of water. (Have one's cake and eat it springs to mind) My rules on Rod Sharing are simple. If there are 2 anglers wishing to share a rod, 1 fishes in the morning and the other in the afternoon, with only 1 rod set up. If there are any youngsters in the party, they are encouraged to fish and I look after them whilst their parents fish. I think most private beats would have a similar attitude. Jock, Great to hear that youngsters are encouraged to fish your beat. However you very rarely see kids on the river, be it private or Association. Maybe Fathers are looking for some piece and quiet from the kids ;D I was taught how to fish with the worm fish by my Grandads brother. My Grandad did fish a bit with me but he ended up driving me around Aberdeenshire to allow me to pursue my hobby , which is now a passion. I have two daughters and the eldest is 5 years old and I was planning on introducing her to fishing this season. Only problem is not many beats allow worming anymore |
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two of my boys had there fly rods with them.This guy came out of the water and asked if i had permission for the kids to fish i said yes he said i hope its writing permission i said i had an agreement with the river owner at this point i stopped short of sconing him .My boys by this time were asking me to have a cast so said i would wait till i spoke to the owner again. The guy that jarred me fishes about once a year ::)so after the guy left i let the boys fish as i watched and they made this guy look like an amateur.I enjoy watching them fishing and the concentration they have is great to watch. Sorry for the rant but i was rather p2shed of that a grown man would try and stopped kids fishing i wonder who taught him and were 
