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Post by salmonking on Oct 17, 2007 19:40:31 GMT
Pics courtesy of Tweed Ghillie,who is having teething problems with photobucket,,,,,,,,, Taken from one of my favourite beats on tweed,, PEDWELL,,now you can see how treacherous the tip stream is ,one wrong move and you are over your head,,the rewards though can be fantastic,as shown here. Dave Humphreys from Ford,with two 16 lb rs ,his set up was a guideline power taper sink line 3-4,on a posh tosh size 8 salmo gold double,,his best brace yet,,,,,,well done.
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 17, 2007 19:43:32 GMT
Dave Humphreys from Ford,with two 16 lb rs ,his set up was a guideline power taper sink line 3-4,on a posh tosh size 8 salmo gold double, and a bloody great big preist.
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Post by salmonking on Oct 17, 2007 20:02:00 GMT
As has been stated many times in the past,,the individual makes his choice,,,personally for me they'd have gone back,,looks like the hen(bottom fish)was deeply hooked,,im not the man who has to answer,,,,crackin fish all the same,,caught from a difficult lie to fish.
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Post by fruity on Oct 17, 2007 20:17:55 GMT
A beautiful pair. I'm sure he doesn't make a habit of knocking fish and the odd fish isn't going to hurt the stocks...especially when you consider the number that get knocked on that system.
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Post by hornet on Oct 17, 2007 20:23:17 GMT
Aye, Maybe he usually fishes the Tay . Must say well done that man and each to their own. Two cracking fish. Hornet
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 17, 2007 20:27:31 GMT
A beautiful pair. I'm sure he doesn't make a habit of knocking fish and the odd fish isn't going to hurt the stocks...especially when you consider the number that get knocked on that system. All those 'odd fish' to individual fishermen sure seem to add up to a whole lotta chapped fish by the season's end though! Mike
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 17, 2007 20:28:13 GMT
aka black & yeller with frills! Mike
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Post by fruity on Oct 17, 2007 20:35:01 GMT
Yes the numbers do add up, but not to the extent of the numbers that were knocked twenty+ years ago.
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 17, 2007 21:31:05 GMT
Black n yella I understand but what are the frills Posh Tosh Dressing: Over hook end of tube body use silicone tube in dayglow/fluo yellow or fluo green Body: Mirage tinsel Rib: Neon yellow Uni thread Throat Wing: Bright or fluo yellow arctic fox, tied to the length of the tube Top/underwing: 3 or 4 yellow boar bristles tied in at head of tube. Bright or fluo yellow arctic fox with 6 or 7 strands of brite yellow, lite-brite angel hair over Overwing: Black arctic fox with 4 or 5 strands of yellow crystal mirror flash over. The overwing should be slightly longer than the underwing Cheeks: Jungle c0ck Head: Black Mike
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 17, 2007 21:39:16 GMT
Yes the numbers do add up, but not to the extent of the numbers that were knocked twenty+ years ago. However, the point is this; if the significant numbers of fish that were chapped 20 years ago were less, and the same lower chapping rate had been adopted since then, the numbers of fish in the system now would be significantly better, IMHO. It's all to do with the numbers of fish in a system and the % of those fish which can afford to be 'harvested' yet still maintain a steady & sustainable total population. To take the most extreme example: If it is agreed (the current Tay system has this in place) that a 50% C&R rate is acceptable, then on the very year that the last ever pair (one each sex) of adult salmon swim up the river to spawn, and both get caught, one is killed and the other returned, then there will be no more native salmon in that river, period. Mike
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Post by fruity on Oct 17, 2007 21:49:40 GMT
I quite understand the morals, principals and benefits behind catch and release but I am unwilling to get excited or condemn people for taking a few fish when I can recently remember so many fish being automatically killed...and catch & release anglers being looked at as if mad. There are a number of places where killing fish is still the norm with catch & release a "difficult subject".
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 17, 2007 22:16:01 GMT
Well, all I can suggest is that you stay unexcited and don't condemn, stay indifferent to it all. But don't come bleating when every last one has gone, and all former fishermen can say over their beer glasses is "I remember the days when...." The writing was on the wall for the Dee...change in '95 and what a change. Writing IS on the wall for the Tay right now. What river will have its name 'writ large' on same wall within the next decade....Tweed, Spey, Tyne..... Mike
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 17, 2007 22:23:59 GMT
Mike, Please don't you start about the Spey, the Spey is now returning over 70% of its catch, though certain loud mouth posters from other forums dispute the figures. Unfortunately I am banned and cannot defend the river.
The Spey catches are on the general increase suggesting the Spey is being correctly run by the current board.
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 17, 2007 23:27:36 GMT
Malcolm,
Only mentioned the top 4 Scottish rivers because they're the top 4, not in any way pointing fingers as such. However, it has to be said that there must be some relatively local, cultural, historic or other reason why there is such a discrepancy between the C&R rates for the different main Scottish systems (Dee excepted now); maybe it's the clientele / angler expectations (of chapping potential) that bring certain persons to the different river systems.
I am not advocating 100% C&R for all anyway (but that is what I practice), but studies on the sustainable stock levels / 'harvest' levels are something that are surely needed for all river systems, rather than relying on catch statistics, however many are released or kept.
Mike
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Post by salmonking on Oct 17, 2007 23:39:01 GMT
Well, all I can suggest is that you stay unexcited and don't condemn, stay indifferent to it all. But don't come bleating when every last one has gone, and all former fishermen can say over their beer glasses is "I remember the days when...." The writing was on the wall for the Dee...change in '95 and what a change. Writing IS on the wall for the Tay right now. What river will have its name 'writ large' on same wall within the next decade....Tweed, Spey, Tyne..... Mike Wise words indeed Mike,,i don't know how many times these words similar to yourself have passed my lips to mates whom i fish with,,,,they very rarely sink in tho ,,and yes some of them will read this,,but hey they know better,,,older yes many of them are ,,wiser not,,,,,they cannot see the fine balance and are blinded by the past and not the future,,,BUT,,until otherwise and rules permit the choice is left to the angler to decide when he/she takes,, and this must be accepted by all,,even i,,who am pro c&r and have been for many years now,,i always get great satisfaction returning fish,,but not all can be returned,,,i have taken 5 fish this year 2 of them sea trout,,that's out of 49,,now 4 of these fish were gill hooked and couldn't be returned,so let's not forget it's not always possible to return fish all the time.
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Post by storlaks on Oct 18, 2007 7:24:47 GMT
I think the original picture was from the Tweed where catch returns are some of the highest in Europe, so why are we questioning the fact that this guy kept his catch?? I think we can all see that effective management of a river system (like Tweed) works. It's not just about C&R, which some people like to think and others tend to promote. Mike, I think you'll find the Dee adopted a number of measures which have contributed to the upturn in catches....not just C&R.
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Post by fruity on Oct 18, 2007 8:24:47 GMT
Just because I refuse to get excited about people taking the odd fish it does not mean that I do not care or that I am indifferent. When you are dealing with intelligent people on a river bank you can approach the subject of catch and release quietly or indirectly and influence their morals and behaviour. However, when you are dealing with hard men who are as quicker to turn a shade of red as a salmon, then any subtle comments can be met with a short abrupt vocal response (if not the physical) which only entrenches the person's beliefs. There are people with what they view as very good arguments against catch and release, from not wanting to disturb the salmon in the rest of the pool, not wanting to increase the likelihood of spreading disease, it is cruel or unsporting to release a fish that has been caught, the owners don't give a discount for abiding by catch and release so why should the angler "pay extra" only to return a fish, returning fish only allows more fish to be caught and therefore allows higher fees to be charged to the angler etc etc etc.
While some of these are quite silly, others have some validity such as an angler applying catch and release being charged the same as someone who kills fish. This could be easily remedied.
Fishery Boards already know the best way to improve a river system is to improve the habitat and water quality, the trouble is that it is costly. They could get a number of suitable committed anglers together and give them training and a "fishery credit" as wages to be redeemed at a selection of decent beats at reasonable times.
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Post by tweedsider on Oct 18, 2007 11:23:20 GMT
Congratulations to David Humphreys on the capture of these two magnificent fish. I have never fished that beat but have had a look and it seems a dodgy place. Had I been the captor certainly the cock fish would be in my freezer or at the smoker by now. Catch reports, from beats and unofficial sightings seem to indicate that there are enough fish in Tweed at the moment to justify keeping a fish or two.
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Post by salmonking on Oct 18, 2007 16:49:46 GMT
Catch reports, from beats and unofficial sightings seem to indicate that there are enough fish in Tweed at the moment Tweedsider [/quote] Not true,,had there not been plenty of rain this year,,upper /middle beats would have struggled to get the catches that were achieved,,now you could argue that those catches would have even themselves out come the back end,,and lower beats done better,,early on,,so,,so,,but with added rod pressure on most beats ,,returns should on paper hold their ground,,giving in my view a little distorted picture,, looking at the big picture is what counts,,in my view ,,i have heard one top scoring beat chapping 90% of the fish caught 7 to one angler ,,tweed could be so much better,,with better management,,end of the day ,,future is in the hands of the angler.
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Post by tweedsider on Oct 18, 2007 17:42:12 GMT
Taking 90% of fish from any beat is unacceptable. What I do not accept is that autumn runs in Tweed are diminishing, 131 today reported by 6 : 40 pm on fish Tweed spread between Ladykirk and Ashestiel. I still think one of the best conservation measures is , once you have taken one fish you stop fishing, and would defend the right to take a fish for the table when I wanted.
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