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Post by devronmac on Nov 20, 2013 18:26:55 GMT
Anglers can sign all and every petition going It will make no difference at all...who are these anglers ? Negativity is not what is needed here. Unfortunately it seems you are speaking for those that don't care and are quite happy to sit on the fence and continue to moan about the situation. That will never have any positive outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 19:02:59 GMT
Anglers can sign all and every petition going It will make no difference at all...who are these anglers ? I suppose its better than nothing Exactly what a petition will do 'nothing'. From what i see anglers need to get their own house in order first before making claims that all the salmon belong to them. As for conservation amongst anglers i have yet to see it.(apart from the Dee) Most anglers after june are filling their car boots with fish when the going becomes good (which isn't very often) Call it negative if you wish....it's how it is. I'm not moaning about the situation ,you are, i'm just being realistic.
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Post by devronmac on Nov 20, 2013 19:07:14 GMT
Adipose I do agree that what you are proposing makes sense. As you seem to be in the know could you make contact with ASFB,AST & S&TA to get a date for a workshop agreed ?
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Post by devronmac on Nov 20, 2013 19:40:32 GMT
I suppose its better than nothing Exactly what a petition will do 'nothing'. From what i see anglers need to get their own house in order first before making claims that all the salmon belong to them. As for conservation amongst anglers i have yet to see it.(apart from the Dee) Most anglers after june are filling their car boots with fish when the going becomes good (which isn't very often)Call it negative if you wish....it's how it is. I'm not moaning about the situation ,you are, i'm just being realistic. I take exception to your blanket generalisation that most anglers are filling their car boots with salmon after June. I will be very surprised if any of the anglers on this forum contributing to this debate are in the regular habit of killing salmon.I am certainly not one of those. What we are trying to achieve is preservation of our wild salmon resource not only for ourselves but also for the next generation of anglers. The netsmen are making no contribution whatsoever to conservation of the species. They are the ones who are filling their warehouses with salmon and now they want to take even more which is contrary to the efforts of most river boards to try to preserve stocks. You are seriously misinformed !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 20:03:05 GMT
How can someone who see's this every day be misinformed ?(apart from a sunday ) of course.
I can't speak for all rivers obviously , but i have experienced a few....and i meet people who fish all over ,including the rivers you fish. Trying to get through to them concerning the future stock's is like banging your head against a brick wall....they are just not interested.
These are major players and have the clout to fish anywhere they wan't...and do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 20:17:00 GMT
Also...stop trying to drum up support on here by mentioning other forum members.
I have an opinion, a petition is a waste of time.
Deal with it, i'm not asking you to agree.
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Post by dunkeld on Nov 20, 2013 21:06:30 GMT
Also...stop trying to drum up support on here by mentioning other forum members. I have an opinion, a petition is a wast of time. Deal with it, i'm not asking you to agree. Colin I only see guys returning fish not filling boots up. Apart from taking part in a partition what more can they do. The powers to be need to know the strength of feeling if the salmon fisher and a partition is one way to do this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 21:17:01 GMT
Also...stop trying to drum up support on here by mentioning other forum members. I have an opinion, a petition is a wast of time. Deal with it, i'm not asking you to agree. Colin I only see guys returning fish not filling boots up. Apart from taking part in a partition what more can they do. The powers to be need to know the strength of feeling if the salmon fisher and a partition is one way to do this. Yes, but how often are you on the river ? Netsmen put wild salmon on restaurant tables, which will drum up more revenue than greedy beat owners will ever do. Hey, good luck with the petition, there's no one more conservation minded than i. I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears,although you could prove me wrong,in which case i will eat humble pie. Could all rivers in Scotland become catch and release within 10 yrs ? From what i see that would drive a hell of a lot of anglers away from the sport,maybe not a bad thing in the long run. My names RpMcmurphy,never forget that....
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Post by earnfisher on Nov 20, 2013 21:26:08 GMT
We are told that salmon fish farming turns over so many millions as does Starbucks.Amazon etc. What taxes do they pay in total. Take fishing. There is the V.A.T. on the Levey we pay plus tackle/hotel bills/fuel/gillies etc wages/tackle shops and the various firms that make tackle/game fairs and lots more. Add up all these taxes and we could be paying more to the government than what the fish farmers pay. All for a petition but you need to present facts to the public and the easy way is through the newspapers. What bugs me the most is that i have never read an article in the papers from the fishery boards and if it were not for a couple by the S.and T. [Scotland] there would be none. Bob
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Post by devronmac on Nov 20, 2013 22:30:51 GMT
Also...stop trying to drum up support on here by mentioning other forum members. I have an opinion, a petition is a waste of time. Deal with it, i'm not asking you to agree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion including you and I and all other forum members. That is what a forum is about....opinions. So far I don't hear many forum members agreeing with your point of view !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 22:44:14 GMT
Realy could not care less,but i have never sat on the fence in my life,like you suggested a few posts back.
Not about to get into a slanging match,go for your petition....if it was so important it would be on every forum ,blog ,web page out there...not someones facebook page.
Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 22:50:18 GMT
Maybe they are all sitting on the fence...at least i got you and Kenny posting.
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Post by davidphillips95 on Nov 20, 2013 23:06:35 GMT
Realy could not care less,but i have never sat on the fence in my life,like you suggested a few posts back. Not about to get into a slanging match,go for your petition....if it was so important it would be on every forum ,blog ,web page out there...not someones facebook page. Good luck. Once the petition is ready I'm sure it will be made widely available and will be well advertised. Lucky for us all anglers do not share your negativity. If our actions fail to have any impact well at least we can say we tried. Being critical certainly won't help that's for sure. David
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 23:19:34 GMT
Well if it becomes available i will sign it ...seems like i have breathed a bit of life back into this old board tonight.
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Post by fredo on Nov 21, 2013 9:09:51 GMT
Netting rights are fishing rights just the same as fishing rights involving angling? If anglers want to stop netting they will have to buy out the netting rights, assuming the owner of the netting rights is willing to sell. One sure thing is that any campaign to get netting stopped will be portrayed as the toffs turning on the ordinary working man (as Pullar already claims). Factor in the referendum next year and the fact that it is central belt SNP/Labour politicians that would decide on any changes to the regulations, then whoever is chosen to front any campaign better be Scottish.....and sound Scottish. Sadly, this rules out the usual suspects (regardless of their knowledge and commitment to the cause). My own view is that once anglers get together and start a campaign, the netters will offer to carry on conserving spring stocks if they are allowed to extend their season at the other end. And they will get what they want.
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Post by earnfisher on Nov 21, 2013 10:14:18 GMT
Wether a petition does any good we do not know BUT at least it is making an effort to stop the end of the salmon becoming a memory. Far to many fishers just moan about this and that and do nothing to help. It is for future generations we should be giving the chance to fish for salmon. The netsmen are quite entitled to there way of life as long as it does not interfear with others which it is. Bob
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Post by devronmac on Nov 21, 2013 19:32:28 GMT
The latest news is that the petition is going to take a little while longer to appear on Ian Gordon's website but when it does you will certainly hear about in this forum. Please be patient.
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Post by dja on Nov 21, 2013 20:10:51 GMT
One thing to take into consideration is regarding the fishery board levy. It may be the case that some district boards rely on the levy paid to them by the netsmen.
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Post by earnfisher on Nov 22, 2013 10:01:25 GMT
The Tay board gets some money for netting rights but nothing compared with what it gets from us. Considering the trouble with the farms and sealice/seals/cormorants/goosanders/drift nets etc we might end up being friends with the netsmen. Bob
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