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Post by fruity on Oct 1, 2007 8:42:21 GMT
While I don't need any spey casting lessons, ahum, ahum, as a matter of general interest, what are the most common mistakes made by the average angler while spey casting, and how are they most easily corrected?
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Post by Speyducer on Oct 1, 2007 8:51:43 GMT
As I consider myself as no more than an average Spey caster (still needing instruction, pointers & practice), I feel that one of the most common mistakes in the single Spey cast is correct, repeatable anchor placement.
Without such correct anchor placement, or at least within an acceptable window, then the rest of the cast is more difficult, and in some cases, dangerous or impossible.
Mike
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 1, 2007 8:55:40 GMT
Too fast
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Post by fruity on Oct 1, 2007 11:31:13 GMT
But is an angler generally being too quick in casting movements, not an effect of anglers purchasing fast actioned/inappropriate rods and/or mis matching their lines?
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 1, 2007 12:52:22 GMT
Generally too quick, if most anglers sloooooowed down the cast they would cast better and expend much less energy.
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Post by acw on Oct 1, 2007 14:38:04 GMT
Malcolm generally reminds me off this whenever we meet ,the high speed thing is what we unpracticed double handers do ,much as when single handed casting we tend to put maximum effert in rather than just enough ! When the casting goes to pot ,I tend to think slow it down and less effort and TAP it out !
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Post by nessc on Oct 1, 2007 16:37:58 GMT
I would have to agree, that people casting too quickly is a common fault, particularly on the lift, along with: - Not emphasising the lift enough.
- On sweeping around, the tip of the rod is dipped creating a poor anchor.
- Not using the bottom hand, particularly on the delivery of the cast. Allowing both hands to work the rod will make the rod far more efficient.
Gordon
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Post by Willie Gunn on Oct 1, 2007 16:47:58 GMT
I would have to agree, that people casting too quickly is a common fault, particularly on the lift, along with: - Not emphasising the lift enough.
- On sweeping around, the tip of the rod is dipped creating a poor anchor.
- Not using the bottom hand, particularly on the delivery of the cast. Allowing both hands to work the rod will make the rod far more efficient.
Gordon I didn't think you Ness Style boys lifted at all, just dragged it back. Is the Ness (town water) worth fishing this weeK?
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Post by fruity on Oct 1, 2007 16:48:10 GMT
Thanks for that, but aren't we supposed to let the tip of the rod dip a little while sweeping back, in order to let the tip of the line catch/anchor in the water?
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Post by nessc on Oct 1, 2007 17:06:38 GMT
never ever let the rod tip dip. It is an old style of teaching to dip the rod tip and takes loads of power out of the cast, plus gives a splashy anchor. On the sweep around the tip should be ever so slightly rising or even level, but never dipping. Providing the correct application of power on the sweep will allow the line to settle on the anchor possition. Gordon
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Post by salmondan on Oct 1, 2007 17:47:02 GMT
never ever let the rod tip dip. It is an old style of teaching and takes loads of power out of the cast, plus a splashy anchor. Gordon That's exactly what Jocky Monteith told me to do earlier this year, with immediate results. He also demonstrated that this technique allows the anchor to hit the water in a straight line, pointing in the direction that you wish to put the cast, therefore allowing far less effort to be put into the forward stroke with better results. Now if only I had the time away from work and a river to practice on, I might just improve
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Post by nessc on Oct 1, 2007 18:13:25 GMT
Salmondan
Sorry not 100% sure what jock told you: dip the tip or always keep it rising?
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Post by speyblair on Oct 1, 2007 18:24:26 GMT
have to agree with gord and wg. Also, other common errors are not starting with the tip at the surface, and 'jerky' movements, these result in less energy to begin with, and being transfered. Keep it sloooow and smoooooooth!!
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Post by fruity on Oct 1, 2007 18:51:02 GMT
Well thanks for that, I only dipped the rod tip when casting a short line but will stop that practice and see. When casting a long line I tend to (sort of) jump the line into position, will try taking it back normally and without dropping rod tip.
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Post by nessc on Oct 1, 2007 18:58:11 GMT
Fruity
Let us know how you get on, I am almost sure you will see an instant improvment.
Gordon
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Post by conwyrod on Oct 1, 2007 19:13:48 GMT
Gordon
Do you do anything different if you are fishing a sinktip, like a monteith tips line?
Pulling a 15' fast sink tip out of the water tends to make for a 'jerky' lift and sweep, or at least it does with me!
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Post by salmondan on Oct 1, 2007 19:21:15 GMT
Salmondan Sorry not 100% sure what jock told you: dip the tip or always keep it rising? Sorry Gordon, I should have made that clearer . His instructions were to "never dip the rod tip". If memory serves, the explanation for this was that by dipping the tip on the sweep, it forces the line to form a "squiggly line" (or perhaps a small heap in my case) for an anchor, which is more difficult to lift from the water on the forward stroke. I don't remember anything about raising the tip but had a head full of new instructions at the time so may have missed that bit. I'll have a go at a slight raise next time out and see if I can spot the difference. Although, being a little on the green side often makes fault analysis difficult. Speyblair also hits another point that JM made, always start the lift from as close to the water surface as possible. Please excuse my terminology, I'll learn eventually
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Post by nessc on Oct 1, 2007 19:35:50 GMT
Conwyrod
I would never dream of fishing a 15ft sink tip. However if I did, I would shorter the amount of line I would usualy lift with the full floater and plobably roll the line onto the surface before going onto the speycast.
Salmondan
Good stuff, sounds like you have been given some sound instruction.
Gordon
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Post by conwyrod on Oct 1, 2007 19:40:56 GMT
Thanks Gordon - you obviously learnt to fish at the same school as Willie Gunn. ;D
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Post by salmondan on Oct 1, 2007 19:46:57 GMT
Salmondan Good stuff, sounds like you have been given some sound instruction. It certainly helped me to understand more about what I am doing and also put me in the right area to ensure I carry on with the right technique. More instruction (and practice) required though and will follow up on that next year.
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